[1917-1911M]

Only one is made in Ulm....1917

 

[AIRB0RNE6176]

Not sure if the Sig Sauer P938 would be in the discussion. I saw the Legion version recently but I have no hands-on experience with it. Definitely a 9mm CCW with good features...

 

[Col- mac]

Looking into getting a conceal carry gun and I am considering these:
Walther PK380
Walther CCP M2
Walther PPS M2
I am new to handguns (not guns, I have had a couple of carbines for years) so all of this is new territory for me.
But having just had a handgun for a month I can field strip it, clean, lube and upgrade it. I have learned the ways around both of my big 9's (Taurus G3 and a Hi-Point c9).
I am a woman, I have the 2 full-size 9's but have chunky hands. With that said I would prefer something that has less recoil than my G3, and have a good grip (long and a little wide) but yet as small (but not micro/pocket size) as possible for conceal carry, and having a manual safety would be nice.
But would like to get y'alls thoughts and opinions on the handguns listed above- pro's, con's, the good, the bad and the ugly.

I really wish there was somewhere around here where I could rent.There's only one gun range close and it just a public access gun range with no operators/employee's.

The CCP M2 (either 9 or 380)- I am still looking into it. But seems like it might have issues as well.
The PK380- I'm digging deeper on this one, seems like either people love it and have no issues with it at all or hate it and have a lot FTE's and other issues.
The PPS M2- I am still considering. I have seen this one around for sale. And I believe (it's been a couple of months now & I was really new to handguns & wasn't quite sure what I was looking at) I held a Walther PPS (I think it was an M1) at a pawn shop and I really liked the feel of the gun in my hand. If the snap/recoil is at least half of what my G3 is I'd definitely get one of these.

I also looked into the PPQ SC as well, it's really nice but it is definitely the hardest one to find, I do like that it has a mag extension that can make it a full size pistol but the grip looks really small without that. If I didn't have a full size 9 already I'd probably consider it more. The small looking grip otherwise looks too small for me.

I have watched so many video's over the past few days on all of these. And I wish there were video's of novice shooters trying out different guns, just someone who wasn't super familiar with them and showed true recoil for them all.
A good example is that I had always wanted a 20 gauge, I got one. And found a video of a woman that had bought the same shotgun. She made a wonderful video of her shooting it for the 1st time.
I got to see the issues she had with it- she didn't like the kick and she had problems loading up the mag tube and the kick in the video did look rough on her.
I went out and shot my 20 gauge for the 1st time after watching that video and had none of her issues, as a matter of fact I loved it. It was my favorite shooter that I drug out back that day. But at least I knew what to possibly expect.

I am not opposed to other manufacturers, but I did hold that 1 Walther PPS a couple months back and really liked how it felt so I guess that's why I am here asking about Walther guns.

I appreciate any help, tips, or anything.
Thank you.
Now all can say.your gonna have try and grow into that 9mm Walter as a380 is just to small you could shoot a mouse and it will get up and run.
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[Wasaabi]

Looking into getting a conceal carry gun and I am considering these:
Walther PK380
Walther CCP M2
Walther PPS M2
I am new to handguns (not guns, I have had a couple of carbines for years) so all of this is new territory for me.
But having just had a handgun for a month I can field strip it, clean, lube and upgrade it. I have learned the ways around both of my big 9's (Taurus G3 and a Hi-Point c9).
I am a woman, I have the 2 full-size 9's but have chunky hands. With that said I would prefer something that has less recoil than my G3, and have a good grip (long and a little wide) but yet as small (but not micro/pocket size) as possible for conceal carry, and having a manual safety would be nice.
But would like to get y'alls thoughts and opinions on the handguns listed above- pro's, con's, the good, the bad and the ugly.

I really wish there was somewhere around here where I could rent.There's only one gun range close and it just a public access gun range with no operators/employee's.

The CCP M2 (either 9 or 380)- I am still looking into it. But seems like it might have issues as well.
The PK380- I'm digging deeper on this one, seems like either people love it and have no issues with it at all or hate it and have a lot FTE's and other issues.
The PPS M2- I am still considering. I have seen this one around for sale. And I believe (it's been a couple of months now & I was really new to handguns & wasn't quite sure what I was looking at) I held a Walther PPS (I think it was an M1) at a pawn shop and I really liked the feel of the gun in my hand. If the snap/recoil is at least half of what my G3 is I'd definitely get one of these.

I also looked into the PPQ SC as well, it's really nice but it is definitely the hardest one to find, I do like that it has a mag extension that can make it a full size pistol but the grip looks really small without that. If I didn't have a full size 9 already I'd probably consider it more. The small looking grip otherwise looks too small for me.

I have watched so many video's over the past few days on all of these. And I wish there were video's of novice shooters trying out different guns, just someone who wasn't super familiar with them and showed true recoil for them all.
A good example is that I had always wanted a 20 gauge, I got one. And found a video of a woman that had bought the same shotgun. She made a wonderful video of her shooting it for the 1st time.
I got to see the issues she had with it- she didn't like the kick and she had problems loading up the mag tube and the kick in the video did look rough on her.
I went out and shot my 20 gauge for the 1st time after watching that video and had none of her issues, as a matter of fact I loved it. It was my favorite shooter that I drug out back that day. But at least I knew what to possibly expect.

I am not opposed to other manufacturers, but I did hold that 1 Walther PPS a couple months back and really liked how it felt so I guess that's why I am here asking about Walther guns.

I appreciate any help, tips, or anything.
Thank you

I have the CCP M1 (9mm). Despite some issues early on, after a few hundred rounds breaking it in it is now my CC pistol during warm weather. I love the grip feel, the lighter recoil for a smaller pistol, and lighter slide spring making it an easier rack. (Originally bought it for my wife, but now mine which will be explained later). I’m sure the CCP M2 is probably even better so I’m confident a CCP will serve you well. If not a Walther, you may consider a HK VP9SK which is a cut down, concealed carry version of their VP9. The VP9SK is now my wife’s CC (she just likes it better). The HK kicks a bit more than the CCP, but still an excellent weapon. imo. Other than that, all I can say is make every effort to shoot everything you are interested in if possible. Ignore the stories about different guns. Pick whatever feels good and comfortable in your hands. If it’s from a top-of-the-line gun manufacturer, it will work as intended if you want it to. Again, imo.

 

[jbb303]

I carry a Sig Sauer P938. It's a steel frame hammer fired with manual safety. The steel frame adds a little mass and that helps slightly with the snappiness vs the polymer frame but any of the smaller short barrel CCW are going to be a bit snappy. Practice with good stiff wrists, if still not comfortable Sig also make a P238. Same gun but chambered for .380

 

[ballayre]

Looking into getting a conceal carry gun and I am considering these:
Walther PK380
Walther CCP M2
Walther PPS M2

First, I am always glad to see women (and men, for that matter) take on their self-defense capability. Great decision.

I originally got a p22 and p99c for my wife, the p22 being for practice with cheap .22 ammo and the p99c for CC. But she did not like the weight and recoil of the p99c, and so I got her the pk380.
This was back about 2007 - 8 or so, can not remember the exact date, but I mention the date because it would be important to double check what I am about to say on her experience.

There were two strong and unique advantages for her with that pair (p22 and pk380) of pistols. 1) physical layout is exactly the same, safety, magazine release, etc so that she could practice with cheap .22 ammo and it directly built pk380 muscle memory. 2) both pistols are completely ambidextrous. She is a leftie and I am a rightie, so if for any reason one of use needed to use the other weapon, there is no fumbling.

The one thing to watch with pk380, for her (maybe not you), was that she is small and it was difficult to conceal that pk380. She carried the pk380 for more than ten years, but then bought a ruger lcp II in 380 for her everyday carry and the pk380 became her bedside pistol.

Good luck

 

[Hyde]

Of the three in the poll, I'd recommend the PPS M2 as it has the best track record of reliability when compared to the PK380 and CCP. But even among small concealable handguns in general, the PPS M2 is known for being a stalwart of reliability. However, as others have already mentioned, its felt recoil may not be much different in comparison to your G3.

If lower felt recoil is your primary concern, I'd take a look at the CCP M2 or more preferably, the Smith & Wesson M&P Shield EZ in 9mm or even .380 ACP. The .380 version will deliver light recoil with the trade-off of very expensive 2021 ammo costs. Even if you go with the 9mm version, the Shield EZ offers not only a lightly racking slide (the CCP's slide is easy to rack as well), but also magazine tabs that make loading a breeze (à la many 22LR pistols), and a conventional field strip method. It's only potential downside is the inclusion of a grip safety, but that's more a matter of preference.

All that said, considering the state of the concealable handgun market in mid-March 2021, I'd recommend something like Smith & Wesson's newly released M&P9 Shield Plus. It's a pistol that's essentially identical in size and thickness to the PPS M2, but instead of 6, 7, or 8 round magazines, you get a 10 and 13 round magazine in the box. Lest you think "newly released" = untested, the Shield Plus's design is based off the nearly decade old and extremely reliable original Shield pistol. The dimensions are the same where it matters, and it accepts all of the legacy Shield's holsters, sights, and accessories. Other guns in this category of high-capacity, compact concealable pistols you should have on your radar are the SIG Sauer P365 and P365XL, Springfield Armory Hellcat, Glock 43X and 48 (with or without Shield Arms S15 Magazines [not to be confused with the S&W Shield handgun]), and the Ruger Max-9.

 

[RandomRest]

Looking into getting a conceal carry gun and I am considering these:
Walther PK380
Walther CCP M2
Walther PPS M2
I am new to handguns (not guns, I have had a couple of carbines for years) so all of this is new territory for me.
But having just had a handgun for a month I can field strip it, clean, lube and upgrade it. I have learned the ways around both of my big 9's (Taurus G3 and a Hi-Point c9).
I am a woman, I have the 2 full-size 9's but have chunky hands. With that said I would prefer something that has less recoil than my G3, and have a good grip (long and a little wide) but yet as small (but not micro/pocket size) as possible for conceal carry, and having a manual safety would be nice.
But would like to get y'alls thoughts and opinions on the handguns listed above- pro's, con's, the good, the bad and the ugly.

I really wish there was somewhere around here where I could rent.There's only one gun range close and it just a public access gun range with no operators/employee's.

The CCP M2 (either 9 or 380)- I am still looking into it. But seems like it might have issues as well.
The PK380- I'm digging deeper on this one, seems like either people love it and have no issues with it at all or hate it and have a lot FTE's and other issues.
The PPS M2- I am still considering. I have seen this one around for sale. And I believe (it's been a couple of months now & I was really new to handguns & wasn't quite sure what I was looking at) I held a Walther PPS (I think it was an M1) at a pawn shop and I really liked the feel of the gun in my hand. If the snap/recoil is at least half of what my G3 is I'd definitely get one of these.

I also looked into the PPQ SC as well, it's really nice but it is definitely the hardest one to find, I do like that it has a mag extension that can make it a full size pistol but the grip looks really small without that. If I didn't have a full size 9 already I'd probably consider it more. The small looking grip otherwise looks too small for me.

I have watched so many video's over the past few days on all of these. And I wish there were video's of novice shooters trying out different guns, just someone who wasn't super familiar with them and showed true recoil for them all.
A good example is that I had always wanted a 20 gauge, I got one. And found a video of a woman that had bought the same shotgun. She made a wonderful video of her shooting it for the 1st time.
I got to see the issues she had with it- she didn't like the kick and she had problems loading up the mag tube and the kick in the video did look rough on her.
I went out and shot my 20 gauge for the 1st time after watching that video and had none of her issues, as a matter of fact I loved it. It was my favorite shooter that I drug out back that day. But at least I knew what to possibly expect.

I am not opposed to other manufacturers, but I did hold that 1 Walther PPS a couple months back and really liked how it felt so I guess that's why I am here asking about Walther guns.

I appreciate any help, tips, or anything.
Thank you

PPS is the clear choice. It has an excellent trigger that is consistent. It operates from a half-cocked striker so when you squeeze the trigger, it draws the striker back a bit further and then drops it, like a partial double action. The striker extends beyond the back of the slide so you can place your thumb on it when you holster. If something snags the trigger you'll feel the striker move and it's time to stop! That configuration is, in my opinion, safer to carry concealed. There's no safety, which means you don't have to think about that if you ever need to use it for self-defense. Recoil on the PPS is surprisingly mild, you can shoot it all day. CCP is larger, uses a safety, and with the M1 model there were reliability issues. PK-380 is out of the question. The safety is positioned in a way that most mortals can't reach with their strong hand thumb, and the it's not a drop safety. There's no reason to choose a 380 when small 9s are so mild recoiling.

 

[RV4driver]

I've got the PPS first model. I carried it for years until I got a Kimber Solo Carry 9. The PPS was not difficult to rack and I never noticed the recoil being a problem. The Kimber, however, is very difficult to rack and I had to add skateboard tape to hold onto it properly while shooting. It is a micro 9, so there's that. I also have a PK380, and consider it to be just above a toy pistol. The PPS is incredibly accurate considering it's size and short sight radius. It's very thin and easy to conceal. I just looked at the poll at the top of this thread, pretty clear cut results!

 

[tjweeks]

Looking into getting a conceal carry gun and I am considering these:
Walther PK380
Walther CCP M2
Walther PPS M2
I am new to handguns (not guns, I have had a couple of carbines for years) so all of this is new territory for me.
But having just had a handgun for a month I can field strip it, clean, lube and upgrade it. I have learned the ways around both of my big 9's (Taurus G3 and a Hi-Point c9).
I am a woman, I have the 2 full-size 9's but have chunky hands. With that said I would prefer something that has less recoil than my G3, and have a good grip (long and a little wide) but yet as small (but not micro/pocket size) as possible for conceal carry, and having a manual safety would be nice.
But would like to get y'alls thoughts and opinions on the handguns listed above- pro's, con's, the good, the bad and the ugly.

I really wish there was somewhere around here where I could rent.There's only one gun range close and it just a public access gun range with no operators/employee's.

The CCP M2 (either 9 or 380)- I am still looking into it. But seems like it might have issues as well.
The PK380- I'm digging deeper on this one, seems like either people love it and have no issues with it at all or hate it and have a lot FTE's and other issues.
The PPS M2- I am still considering. I have seen this one around for sale. And I believe (it's been a couple of months now & I was really new to handguns & wasn't quite sure what I was looking at) I held a Walther PPS (I think it was an M1) at a pawn shop and I really liked the feel of the gun in my hand. If the snap/recoil is at least half of what my G3 is I'd definitely get one of these.

I also looked into the PPQ SC as well, it's really nice but it is definitely the hardest one to find, I do like that it has a mag extension that can make it a full size pistol but the grip looks really small without that. If I didn't have a full size 9 already I'd probably consider it more. The small looking grip otherwise looks too small for me.

I have watched so many video's over the past few days on all of these. And I wish there were video's of novice shooters trying out different guns, just someone who wasn't super familiar with them and showed true recoil for them all.
A good example is that I had always wanted a 20 gauge, I got one. And found a video of a woman that had bought the same shotgun. She made a wonderful video of her shooting it for the 1st time.
I got to see the issues she had with it- she didn't like the kick and she had problems loading up the mag tube and the kick in the video did look rough on her.
I went out and shot my 20 gauge for the 1st time after watching that video and had none of her issues, as a matter of fact I loved it. It was my favorite shooter that I drug out back that day. But at least I knew what to possibly expect.

I am not opposed to other manufacturers, but I did hold that 1 Walther PPS a couple months back and really liked how it felt so I guess that's why I am here asking about Walther guns.

I appreciate any help, tips, or anything.
Thank you

I have the PPS M2 and I really enjoy shooting it. Like almost all other striker fired pistols it has no kind of manual safety. Lots of people like no safety getting in the was but I would never be comfortable concealing (stuffed in pocket or pants) with a round in the chamber and just a trigger pull (intentional or not) away from firing. This is the first pistol I have owned without a manual safety or a decocker on it. Don't get me wrong, this is a great gun and it is my own insecurity that causes my problem.
I have been looking at 380 pistols for my wife. She has not got the arm strength to rack a 9mm. S&W has a recent 380 and 9mm designated as EZ which is supposed to be much easier to rack. I almost picked one up until I happened to check ammo prices and a 380 box of 50 is over $50, It would be pretty expensive to have my wife shooting 700 or 800 rounds at the range to learn to shoot it.
I have been shooting pistols for about 50 years now and I sure don't consider myself an expert I have considered myself familiar with pistols. I have had one negligent misfire in my life and it was with the PPS. It was a cleaning error and won't happen again but if anybody is curious about how it feels to shoot a hole through the leg of your jeans and then through the floor and finally destroying a crock pot I'm the man to talk to. Thank God no one else was home and the bullet stayed in the house but it served to me to affirm my uneasiness with striker fired pistols. Before I get a blast of unsolicited criticism about my gun skills or knowledge -Please Don't. Good Luck with your search. My Walther choice would still be the PPS M2.

 

[Jimmo952]

I have the PPS M2 and I really enjoy shooting it. Like almost all other striker fired pistols it has no kind of manual safety. Lots of people like no safety getting in the was but I would never be comfortable concealing (stuffed in pocket or pants) with a round in the chamber and just a trigger pull (intentional or not) away from firing. This is the first pistol I have owned without a manual safety or a decocker on it. Don't get me wrong, this is a great gun and it is my own insecurity that causes my problem.
I have been looking at 380 pistols for my wife. She has not got the arm strength to rack a 9mm. S&W has a recent 380 and 9mm designated as EZ which is supposed to be much easier to rack. I almost picked one up until I happened to check ammo prices and a 380 box of 50 is over $50, It would be pretty expensive to have my wife shooting 700 or 800 rounds at the range to learn to shoot it.
I have been shooting pistols for about 50 years now and I sure don't consider myself an expert I have considered myself familiar with pistols. I have had one negligent misfire in my life and it was with the PPS. It was a cleaning error and won't happen again but if anybody is curious about how it feels to shoot a hole through the leg of your jeans and then through the floor and finally destroying a crock pot I'm the man to talk to. Thank God no one else was home and the bullet stayed in the house but it served to me to affirm my uneasiness with striker fired pistols. Before I get a blast of unsolicited criticism about my gun skills or knowledge -Please Don't. Good Luck with your search. My Walther choice would still be the PPS M2.

I'm glad you didn't get hurt. There is a lesson there you will not soon forget.

 

[GeMor]

I have the PPS M2 and I really enjoy shooting it. Like almost all other striker fired pistols it has no kind of manual safety. Lots of people like no safety getting in the was but I would never be comfortable concealing (stuffed in pocket or pants) with a round in the chamber and just a trigger pull (intentional or not) away from firing. This is the first pistol I have owned without a manual safety or a decocker on it. Don't get me wrong, this is a great gun and it is my own insecurity that causes my problem.
I have been looking at 380 pistols for my wife. She has not got the arm strength to rack a 9mm. S&W has a recent 380 and 9mm designated as EZ which is supposed to be much easier to rack. I almost picked one up until I happened to check ammo prices and a 380 box of 50 is over $50, It would be pretty expensive to have my wife shooting 700 or 800 rounds at the range to learn to shoot it.
I have been shooting pistols for about 50 years now and I sure don't consider myself an expert I have considered myself familiar with pistols. I have had one negligent misfire in my life and it was with the PPS. It was a cleaning error and won't happen again but if anybody is curious about how it feels to shoot a hole through the leg of your jeans and then through the floor and finally destroying a crock pot I'm the man to talk to. Thank God no one else was home and the bullet stayed in the house but it served to me to affirm my uneasiness with striker fired pistols. Before I get a blast of unsolicited criticism about my gun skills or knowledge -Please Don't. Good Luck with your search. My Walther choice would still be the PPS M2.

Thanks for your contribution.
You don't need to report details of the incident if you don't want it, but it would be nice if you answer the following question:
Could the same incident have happened with a hammer-fired DA / SA pistol?

 

[Twobits]

I am going to say I don't recommend the PK 380 as I had one and even though it was a hammer gun which I prefer it never functioned right not did it feel right in my hand. It felt cheap. The CCP I never really had a chance to look at one or handle one so I can't really say much about them either. The PPS I have seen and handled but never shot one. The gun does feel like a Walther and looks to have their quality. Now to my recommendation, anything that you can afford that feels good in your hands. Go somewhere that gives you the opportunity to actually fire one. Then chose based upon your feelings. Unless you like the gun you will never really trust it, should TSHTF. My carry gun is a Kimber Micro 9. I love it and trust it.

 

[Andrew1970]

Last summer, I researched this question to find a home defense handgun that my wife can easily run. The challenge for her is difficulty racking slides and handling recoil.

We checked out all the Walther models you reference, as well as a bunch of brands. The Walther CCP M2 was the hands-down winner. Easy to rack. Minimal recoil. Comfortable ergonomics. Reliable. Even the mags are easy to load.

In the end, we went with the CCP M2 .380, which makes recoil even less of an issue relative to the 9mm.

Fit and finish on the CCP M2 .380 is outstanding -- typical Walther quality. Another commenter pointed out that the CCP is farmed out to Umarex for manufacturing, but if that hurt quality, we've yet to notice.

Two downsides to the CCP:

1. Capacity is only 8 rounds. It appears no one manufactures extended mags.

2. The gas-delayed blowback system that does such a great job reducing recoil also makes the gun run dirty and heats it up when you fire lots of rounds. (Irrelevant in a home defense situation.)

One last thing: For my taste, the CCP M2 is a bit big for concealed carry. There are options that are smaller and have higher capacities (Sig P365, Shield M&P Plus, Taurus G3C, among others). But for a home defense pistol to meet my wife's particular needs, the CCP M2 .380 has proven to be a good choice.

 

[m4a1sof]

I own and have carried a PPS M1 and M2 and I love Walthers and I know this is blasphemy but they are collecting dust in my safe as I type this. The Sig P365 has replaced them all, this thing is the tits. It's smaller, lighter, as reliable, and holds more ammo. I carry it in my right front pocket in an Alabama Pocket holster. This combo has made all my other CCW guns obsolete. IMHO the P365 paired with this holster and loaded with HST 9mm is the ultimate CCW combo. This holster has a small lip molded into it that you place your thumb on and draw, the gun practically flies out of the holster. Simple idea but works great. This photo shows size comparison PPS is huge and only holds 8 rounds and it is almost as small as my old CCW Colt Pocketlite .380 but is rated for 9mm+P.

 

[AIRB0RNE6176]

I, at one time, owned both a P365 and a PPS M2.

As compact as the P365 is with it's increased ammo capacity, the trigger was not as crisp as the PPS M2 and it felt more "snappy" when fired. This was even the case when I tried out a newer P365XL w/ an optic. I no longer own the P365 and I'm keeping the Walther. Only wish there is a future PPS "M3" with an optics cut.

The extra ammo capacity of the P365 and S.A. Hellcat (& smaller dimensions) are nice, but I'll take a better trigger for better well aimed shots with my PPS M2.

 

[Twobits]

I, at one time, owned both a P365 and a PPS M2.

As compact as the P365 is with it's increased ammo capacity, the trigger was not as crisp as the PPS M2 and it felt more "snappy" when fired. This was even the case when I tried out a newer P365XL w/ an optic. I no longer own the P365 and I'm keeping the Walther. Only wish there is a future PPS "M3" with an optics cut.

The extra ammo capacity of the P365 and S.A. Hellcat (& smaller dimensions) are nice, but I'll take a better trigger for better well aimed shots with my PPS M2.

I know for this site I am being sacroligious but I went thru carrying a PK380 then a PPKS and now I carry a Kimber Micro 9 in a Versacarry Zerobulk Pro holster. Most comfortable combo I have ever carried and it works even when wearing shorts and a tee-shirt.

 

[Twobits]

I know this is an older thread and might not even get read but I want to update. I now own a CCP M2+ in 9 mm and one in 380. 9 mm is my new CC gun. Use same holster I used for my Kimber which I got rid of when it went bang immediately after taking the safety off. No trigger pull or anything touching trigger and it just went bang. CCP M2+ in 9mm has been by far the most accurate and reliable gun I have ever owned. Easy to shoot or rack the slide and best trigger ever after it got broke in.

 

[A Z]

I would pick whichever you feel most comfortable with based on: Concealment comfort, fast draw and precision shooting during rapid fire...Successful defense situations depend of those 3 factors, is not so much about the caliber and stopping power but about the placement of shots; and the more you can place those shots accurately the more successful story you will have after an emergency...The worst gun is the one that kicks like a mule preventing you from hitting anything and from rapid fire, or the one that takes you forever to get out of concealment and be ready to shoot, you want to STOP and not SCARE your armed assaulter.

 

[Twobits]

Last summer, I researched this question to find a home defense handgun that my wife can easily run. The challenge for her is difficulty racking slides and handling recoil.

We checked out all the Walther models you reference, as well as a bunch of brands. The Walther CCP M2 was the hands-down winner. Easy to rack. Minimal recoil. Comfortable ergonomics. Reliable. Even the mags are easy to load.

In the end, we went with the CCP M2 .380, which makes recoil even less of an issue relative to the 9mm.

Fit and finish on the CCP M2 .380 is outstanding -- typical Walther quality. Another commenter pointed out that the CCP is farmed out to Umarex for manufacturing, but if that hurt quality, we've yet to notice.

Two downsides to the CCP:

1. Capacity is only 8 rounds. It appears no one manufactures extended mags.

2. The gas-delayed blowback system that does such a great job reducing recoil also makes the gun run dirty and heats it up when you fire lots of rounds. (Irrelevant in a home defense situation.)

One last thing: For my taste, the CCP M2 is a bit big for concealed carry. There are options that are smaller and have higher capacities (Sig P365, Shield M&P Plus, Taurus G3C, among others). But for a home defense pistol to meet my wife's particular needs, the CCP M2 .380 has proven to be a good choice.

CCP is not farmed out to Umarex to be made. Umarex owns Walther. They are made in the Umarex plant to same standards that Walther makes guns to in Ulm. Umarex just has a bad name because they make airsoft replicas of lots of guns. But their airsoft guns are some of the finest in the world. If it wasn't for them buying Walther out of bankruptcy we wouldn't be discussing this issue now.