I know strikers are all the rage these days, and I never thought about it until I stumbled across the XD-E, but will Walther ever product another? I'm not talking about a $2K all steel successor to the P5, but a reasonably priced polymer pistol (like the XD-E)?
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For some reason, I don't think anyone should be shoveling dirt on the grave of the hammer-fired pistol. For example:
HK: USP, 45, Mark 23, P2000, P30...frankly their only striker fired pistols are the VPs
Sig: P220, P225, P226, P228, P229, SP2022, Legion.
Remington: R-51, 1911s
Springfield: XD-E (which has been expanded from 1 to 3 models), 911, 1911
CZ: 75, Shadow 2, P-07, P-01, P-09, 2075 RAMI, 97
Beretta: M9, PX4, 92, 21, 3032, 96,
Colt: their entire line of pistols
Ruger: SR series (mostly 1911s), Security-9, LCP
- just to name a few
Guess someone needs to tell these "dumb butt" companies their firearms are obsolete. Too bad they can't see they aren't selling any of these pistols, since everyone has switched to Glocks now...and they keep expanding their product offerings...
The problem with SA striker fired pistols is the decreased safety aspect in CC for the general public. If you carry your pistol with a round chambered (as it should be), you have a much higher risk if putting your finger on the trigger and having a AD during a stressful situation than with a "decocked" SA/DA or a pistol or a SA pistol with an external manual safety. Just ask that federal agent who shot himself in the foot during that firearm safety demonstration. Doubt the majority of CC people have as much training as he did at the time of the accident. Add the stress of having to defend yourself...
Nope, I won't CC my PPQ, even though I prefer to shoot that over every other pistol I own. I'm just not willing to add that additional risk, so for now I'll stick with my P99C and my XD-E. The XD-E is a really nice pistol, and exactly the type of pistol I would love to see Walther to add to their product line.
HK: USP, 45, Mark 23, P2000, P30...frankly their only striker fired pistols are the VPs
Sig: P220, P225, P226, P228, P229, SP2022, Legion.
Remington: R-51, 1911s
Springfield: XD-E (which has been expanded from 1 to 3 models), 911, 1911
CZ: 75, Shadow 2, P-07, P-01, P-09, 2075 RAMI, 97
Beretta: M9, PX4, 92, 21, 3032, 96,
Colt: their entire line of pistols
Ruger: SR series (mostly 1911s), Security-9, LCP
- just to name a few
Guess someone needs to tell these "dumb butt" companies their firearms are obsolete. Too bad they can't see they aren't selling any of these pistols, since everyone has switched to Glocks now...and they keep expanding their product offerings...
The problem with SA striker fired pistols is the decreased safety aspect in CC for the general public. If you carry your pistol with a round chambered (as it should be), you have a much higher risk if putting your finger on the trigger and having a AD during a stressful situation than with a "decocked" SA/DA or a pistol or a SA pistol with an external manual safety. Just ask that federal agent who shot himself in the foot during that firearm safety demonstration. Doubt the majority of CC people have as much training as he did at the time of the accident. Add the stress of having to defend yourself...
Nope, I won't CC my PPQ, even though I prefer to shoot that over every other pistol I own. I'm just not willing to add that additional risk, so for now I'll stick with my P99C and my XD-E. The XD-E is a really nice pistol, and exactly the type of pistol I would love to see Walther to add to their product line.
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Sorry, but that was directed more towards this comment:
"The day of the double/single action has come and gone"
I'm not alone with the group that prefers SA/DA "hammer-fired" pistols.
I bought a G23C around the turn of the century, and although I liked it, I never really fell in love with it. It might have been the "spongy" trigger or the ergonomics of a 2"x4", but it never really felt like it was an extension of me.
It wasn't until I bought a PPQ that I found a striker-fired pistol I loved. Now if I was using it for competition, would go with whatever I liked shooting the most (which at this time would be my PPQ), but give me something with a decocker or an external manual safety for my CC pistol. They just add an additional layer of safety while carrying with "one in the pipe."
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Good point on "ease of use," but I would rank them slightly differently for basic use...once they're loaded and ready to go, how easy are they to use:
(1) All SA firearms. Once they are ready to go, they're ready to go. Point & squeeze
(2) All DA firearms. Same as above, but higher trigger weights make it slightly more difficult to hit target. See NYPD shooting reports...lots of shots fired for the number of hits.
(3) All SA/DA firearms. Almost put this at #2, but since you have two options instead of one. Anyone well trained could move this up to (1A) if they keep it in SA mode.
Personally I don't see any difference between striker-fired and hammer-fired pistols when it comes to "ease of use." The action taken by the shooter is the same.
Another concept (for CC) is how easy it is to have an accidental discharge (AD). Highest probably to lowest:
(1) SA pistols without manual safety (includes SA/DA pistols carried in SA mode)
(2) DA (only) pistols, and SA/DA pistols in DA mode. Their higher trigger pull slightly lessons the probability of an AD over the lighter triggers on SA pistols
(3) Pistols with a manual safety. Significantly decreases the possibility of an AD due to the fact it requires the shooter to take one additional action.
The tradeoff of #3 is the fact that in a stressful situation, the shooter must do one additional action. If he forgets, the pistol doesn't fire. But on the other hand, he's much less likely to shoot himself. My #1 rule for CC is "don't shoot me."
Anyone want to guess why I don't do "appendix carry?" Although it's probably easier to access & conceal, not a fan of pointing a firearm in that direction...lol
(1) All SA firearms. Once they are ready to go, they're ready to go. Point & squeeze
(2) All DA firearms. Same as above, but higher trigger weights make it slightly more difficult to hit target. See NYPD shooting reports...lots of shots fired for the number of hits.
(3) All SA/DA firearms. Almost put this at #2, but since you have two options instead of one. Anyone well trained could move this up to (1A) if they keep it in SA mode.
Personally I don't see any difference between striker-fired and hammer-fired pistols when it comes to "ease of use." The action taken by the shooter is the same.
Another concept (for CC) is how easy it is to have an accidental discharge (AD). Highest probably to lowest:
(1) SA pistols without manual safety (includes SA/DA pistols carried in SA mode)
(2) DA (only) pistols, and SA/DA pistols in DA mode. Their higher trigger pull slightly lessons the probability of an AD over the lighter triggers on SA pistols
(3) Pistols with a manual safety. Significantly decreases the possibility of an AD due to the fact it requires the shooter to take one additional action.
The tradeoff of #3 is the fact that in a stressful situation, the shooter must do one additional action. If he forgets, the pistol doesn't fire. But on the other hand, he's much less likely to shoot himself. My #1 rule for CC is "don't shoot me."
Anyone want to guess why I don't do "appendix carry?" Although it's probably easier to access & conceal, not a fan of pointing a firearm in that direction...lol
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