[balance]

Yes, that's why I said the issue is escaping gas and not a loss of energy. I was addressing your earlier comment re the upward gas directly into the face and GeMor's comment re loss of ft/lbs of energy directed at an animal.

Ah, I misunderstood what you were getting at.

 

[chandler5566]

Let us know if you get any jacket shredding.

BLAZER BRASS AMMO PROHIBITED

Any other brand of ammunition that meets SAAMI specifications will be allowed; however at this time I can no longer allow the Blazer Brass ammunition to be used for the below courses, or fired from...

www.coldboretact.com

Interesting. I do not use Blazer ammo because it has caused malfunction issues in the past.

 

[balance]

Certain models of Federal ammunition have had similar warning against their use in ported pistols in the past.

 

[coals]

I weighed all the pros and cons and obviously I decided it was something I was comfortable with carrying. To each their own.

As for the Ported Barrel Destroying the Glock - that guy put a ported barrel into a slide that wasn't ported. I would imagine that had a lot to do with the frame breaking.

There's quite a bit coming out of those ports there, and a quick google search brought up a few images to show what I'm talking about here:

There's a good amount of energy coming out of those ports, which is why there are efficient in reducing recoil:

POTD: Ported Barrel Destroys Glock -The Firearm Blog

 

[chandler5566]

I weighed all the pros and cons and obviously I decided it was something I was comfortable with carrying. To each their own.

[/QUOTE]

You are right. There are a hell of a lot of ported pistols around that appear to be functioning quite well. I have to believe that if the porting is designed, machined and tested correctly the incidence of jacket shearing is virtually non existent.

 

[balance]

I weighed all the pros and cons and obviously I decided it was something I was comfortable with carrying. To each their own.

As for the Ported Barrel Destroying the Glock - that guy put a ported barrel into a slide that wasn't ported. I would imagine that had a lot to do with the frame breaking.

Absolutely, and for the record, I'd love to put a few rounds through it.

 

[Sundevil827]

I would gladly give up 50fps for the reduction in flip, which was the usual feet per second loss going with a "C" model Glock over the standard non ported Glocks that I've shot.


I have the ability to have every pistol I own ported. I'm just explaining why I haven't yet. There are benefits and downfalls to having a pistol ported. I'd love the benefits, but I'm not willing to deal with the downfalls, being that they are defensive pistols.

The other question that I'd ask, is if the benefits are truly worth it, or are they more perceived than real? The tie in to that also has to be, is the juice worth the squeeze?

Do I notice the muzzle rise with certain guns more than others? Sure

However what's the practical impact of that? Using a USPSA target at 10 yards, with a CZ, I can get get a couple of A zone hits with a split of .15, with a polymer pistol with more felt recoil and muzzle rise, I'm able to do the same thing and split at around .17. So the greater perceived muzzle rise is actually costing me about .02. Over 16 splits (assuming a 32 round stage) that's only .3 seconds. So there are definitely time savings, but for me, there were plenty of other places where I was losing time that I could improve on. For guys at the top of the sport, definitely get it.

With a full on 2011 Open Gun, I can run .12-.13 splits, so I can definitely see the benefit of running either a ported or compensated gun.

Other than playing gun games though, my question has always been, is the benefit real, or perceived? Is a .02 second split worth it?

In a defensive situation, personally I don't think so, for a range gun, or a gun game gun, why not? It also doesn't even touch the gas consideration in a defensive gun either..

 

[balance]

Other than playing gun games though, my question has always been, is the benefit real, or perceived? Is a .02 second split worth it?

I think of the question of "is the juice worth the squeeze", as a perfect question to ask here.

With me, it goes down to what my idea of a "perfect" pistol would be. This goes for which model, and what features can be added or taken away from that model to make it better suited for the role. As far as muzzle flip, absolutely zero muzzle flip would be the goal. A device or feature that can get the pistol closer to zero muzzle flip would be beneficial. I recognize that, but I also recognize that there are going to be positives and negatives to most features or devices available.

There's a reason why I chose the caliber that I chose, even though there are benefits to going with a smaller or larger caliber. There's a reason why I chose a pistol that weighs what it does, even though there are benefits to going with a smaller or larger pistol. There's a reason why I chose to go with a pistol with the capacity that it has, even though there are benefits of going larger or smaller there. Everyone has to make a choice here, being that there is no "perfect" firearm. I guess I'd say, how much an incremental increase in performance is worth it depends on the amount of incremental increases, and what they amount to, totally.

Is the juice worth the squeeze here? My answer is clear, but I'd like to put the information out there so that others can look through it and come up with their own conclusions. I will say though, that without the issues mentioned, I'd see very little reason not to go with a ported pistol.

That's some good shooting by the way. I'm not sure I could get to .12 splits, accurately, even on an Open gun.

 

[chandler5566]

Is the juice worth the squeeze here? My answer is clear, but I'd like to put the information out there so that others can look through it and come up with their own conclusions. I will say though, that without the issues mentioned, I'd see very little reason not to go with a ported pistol.

Balance...just one question. Are you feeling OK? I recall this same subject several years back and your responses were a bit more heated! Perhaps if I opened a subject re trigger and safeties mods!

 

[balance]

Balance...just one question. Are you feeling OK? I recall this same subject several years back and your responses were a bit more heated! Perhaps if I opened a subject re trigger and safeties mods!

Like this one:
Ported barrel | Walther Forums

Please, put up those threads. I always started out nice and respectful. I do tend to respond to people in the same way they respond to me though. This goes on outside of internet forums as well.

The OP mentioned that he weighed the pros and cons and came up with this conclusion. I respect that. If you put up the thread or threads that you are mentioning, I'm pretty sure you'll find that people there were either trying to say that what I was saying either had no merit, or that I was completely wrong to even want to have a discussion or mention it. I happen to know a little bit about firearms, and I happen to know a little bit about what I'm talking about. If people want to tell me I'm wrong, I'd like to learn from them as they put out their evidence to prove their points, as I like to.

As far as trigger safety mods, I'm more disappointed that it was I, alone in most cases, who even had to bring up the idea that messing with safety devices was a bad idea. It's one of the reasons why I left this forum for as long as I did. I'm honestly surprised that there are almost no threads here anymore mentioning this, at least with the small amount of searching that I've done since I've come back. A ported pistol may be a safety issue to the shooter in certain circumstances, but not to everyone else within range of the pistol.

 

[chandler5566]

Like this one:
Ported barrel | Walther Forums

Please, put up those threads. I always started out nice and respectful. I do tend to respond to people in the same way they respond to me though. This goes on outside of internet forums as well.

The OP mentioned that he weighed the pros and cons and came up with this conclusion. I respect that. If you put up the thread or threads that you are mentioning, I'm pretty sure you'll find that people there were either trying to say that what I was saying either had no merit, or that I was completely wrong to even want to have a discussion or mention it. I happen to know a little bit about firearms, and I happen to know a little bit about what I'm talking about. If people want to tell me I'm wrong, I'd like to learn from them as they put out their evidence to prove their points, as I like to.

As far as trigger safety mods, I'm more disappointed that it was I, alone in most cases, who even had to bring up the idea that messing with safety devices was a bad idea. It's one of the reasons why I left this forum for as long as I did. I'm honestly surprised that there are almost no threads here anymore mentioning this, at least with the small amount of searching that I've done since I've come back. A ported pistol may be a safety issue to the shooter in certain circumstances, but not to everyone else within range of the pistol.

Now, the balance I knew has returned! BY the way....I don't believe I challenged you on much...if anything. I always learned something new or different and appreciated it.

 

[balance]

I appreciate you saying that. But I don't mind a challenge. If you think I'm wrong, about anything, please say so, and we can have a respectful disagreement. I learn more from discussions where people disagree than from those where everyone agrees.

 

[chandler5566]

I appreciate you saying that. But I don't mind a challenge. If you think I'm wrong, about anything, please say so, and we can have a respectful disagreement. I learn more from discussions where people disagree than from those where everyone agrees.

I will challenge when I know I'm on solid ground and not just opionating! WELCOME back.

 

[Sundevil827]

That's some good shooting by the way. I'm not sure I could get to .12 splits, accurately, even on an Open gun.

Lol, those were the days? These days I know I'm not even close to that.

50k rounds a year for a couple of years...lol, it's a whole different experience now when I'm maybe 20% of that.

Shooting...it is a perishable skill!

 

[Sundevil827]

As far as trigger safety mods, I'm more disappointed that it was I, alone in most cases, who even had to bring up the idea that messing with safety devices was a bad idea. It's one of the reasons why I left this forum for as long as I did. I'm honestly surprised that there are almost no threads here anymore mentioning this, at least with the small amount of searching that I've done since I've come back. A ported pistol may be a safety issue to the shooter in certain circumstances, but not to everyone else within range of the pistol.

I know I spent quite a bit less time here the last few years than before that, but you were always one of the good guys. Agree or disagree (and I don't know that I ever disagreed) always appreciated the conversation more when you were contributing here! Good to see you posting!

 

[balance]

Lol, those were the days? These days I know I'm not even close to that.

Tell me about it. I've cut back on shooting A LOT due to availability and pricing for a little while now. Especially last year when 9mm was about a dollar per round here, if you could find it.

I know I spent quite a bit less time here the last few years than before that, but you were always one of the good guys. Agree or disagree (and I don't know that I ever disagreed) always appreciated the conversation more when you were contributing here! Good to see you posting!

Thanks. I'll probably be sticking around for a bit.

 

[FirstandLast]

Just watched this vid by TFB TV which I thought addressed concerns on muzzle flash and burns coming out of the port.

 

[chandler5566]

Good review and certainly informative. Interesting that both videos in this thread have comp pistols with lights attached which could supply additional muzzle flip control. I would prefer to see testing with uncluttered pistols. As for my take on comps in general....I'm not proficient enough for comps to be of any use.

 

[balance]

There are ported pistols. Then there are compensated pistols where the comp is mounted to the barrel. Then there are compensated pistols where the comp is mounted to the slide.

You're going to get a lot more pressure escaping from ports, than from a compensator mounted to a slide. Look at the amount of area around that comp that gas can escape from forward of the muzzle, no doubt to allow clearance for the barrel to tilt. Compare that to the pressure behind the bullet while it's still in the barrel. Even then, I still wouldn't want this pistol for carry. Why'd they use an onion? Why not their own eyes, without eye protection, in some of the positions I posted earlier?

 

[GeMor]

In Germany, no state police or federal police have ever used a ported pistol, nor do they currently use such a pistol. That is also true for the German Bundeswehr.
One can be sure that if porting would bring any benefit and advantage to the service weapons of these state institutions, porting would have been introduced there long ago. As I said, that has never been done.
As far as I know, what just has been said also applies to the police forces and armed forces of all other European countries.