[aklim69]

There is also a firing pin block safety, which prevents the striker from reaching the primer on the chambered cartridge in case a drop causes the striker to slip off of the sear.

This is if the pistol was cocked. If the pistol was decocked, it would be even more unlikely.

According to Walther, there are 2 drop safties and 1 firing pin block safety making a grand total of 3.

Hence my question. What does it matter? Would there be more force required to force the striker onto the percussion cap decocked or cocked? IDK. Is there extra force only on the trigger side when decocked and does it translate to the firing pin? Again, IDK

 

[Milspec]

So no carry on the PPQ then?

You're bringing oranges into an apples discussion....

The PPQ has a trigger safety so carrying a P99cAS in SA mode is not the same as carrying a PPQ.

 

[balance]

According to Walther, there are 2 drop safties and 1 firing pin block safety making a grand total of 3.

I'd like to see this information. Please provide the documents that list all three safeties and what they do.

Hence my question. What does it matter? Would there be more force required to force the striker onto the percussion cap decocked or cocked? IDK. Is there extra force only on the trigger side when decocked and does it translate to the firing pin? Again, IDK

With all due respect, I'd like to hear from the OP, and I'd like for my questions to be answered.

One reason that it matters is because depending on how the pistol was carried, different sets of circumstances would have had to come into play in order for the pistol to fire from a drop, if either the pistol was cocked, or the pistol was decocked.

I'll wait for the OP's response before I put any more reasons out there.

 

[stunksinatl]

Seems that we'll likely never know what really happened....regardlesss......it also seems like a good time to review safety bits for those P99 and PPQers out there (myself included). We should make this into a learning opportunity for those new to the P99/PPQ.

GENERAL - One should periodically check the integrity and function of the safety mechanisms of your pistol(s).

With the slide off, make sure the striker safety plunger moves freely in its channel and is not excessively lubricated. The striker safety plunger should depress downward and quickly return to rest without excessive force from a finger or probe.

With slide off, make sure the striker safety plunger effectively blocks forward movement of the striker by gently pressing forward on the striker's lug until you feel the striker hit the body of the striker safety plunger.

With the slide off a P99, make sure the trigger bar is immobilized by the pivoting trigger by gently tugging rearward on the trigger bar with the slide off.

With the slide off on a PPQ, make sure the trigger dingus effectively immobilizes the trigger and trigger bar through a similar method to above.

To be especially thorough, you can even reassemble and check an EMPTY gun by shining a flashlight down the magwell to watch the trigger bar's interaction with the striker safety plunger upon actuation. The striker safety plunger should not be engaged until the trigger pull has begun.

Failure of any of these tests should see the pistol removed immediately from service and the manufacturer contacted.

Lastly, it should be noted that these safety systems are similar on all modern striker fired guns, and the above checks (modified accordingly) should be done periodically regardless of brand/type/make/etc.

 

[aklim69]

The PPQ has a trigger safety so carrying a P99cAS in SA mode is not the same as carrying a PPQ.

Fair enough

 

[aklim69]

I'd like to see this information. Please provide the documents that list all three safeties and what they do.

With all due respect, I'd like to hear from the OP, and I'd like for my questions to be answered.

IDK. I was just reading the brochure.

 

[imaoldfart]

FAQ IX-15

 

[balance]

It is interesting to me to learn that there is a possibility that there is another safety feature on the P99 that I didn't know about. Hopefully someone can chime in and state where it is, what it does, and how it works.

If it is true, then this would just make an unintentional discharge from a drop that much more unlikely.

 

[Dukes4aces]

P99 - Walther Arms

 

[Dukes4aces]

Right on the Walther web site. ^^^^^^ And to restate my thoughts and others-sure would be nice to here from the OP and I'm guessing it's a ND if he doesn't chime in.

 

[aklim69]

It is interesting to me to learn that there is a possibility that there is another safety feature on the P99 that I didn't know about. Hopefully someone can chime in and state where it is, what it does, and how it works.

If it is true, then this would just make an unintentional discharge from a drop that much more unlikely.

Besides the 2 drop and 1 firing pin, if you want to consider the decocker a "safety feature", I suppose we can categorize it in the same class as the "New York Trigger".

 

[craze42]

And to restate my thoughts and others-sure would be nice to here from the OP and I'm guessing it's a ND if he doesn't chime in.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[olstyn]

Besides the 2 drop and 1 firing pin, if you want to consider the decocker a "safety feature", I suppose we can categorize it in the same class as the "New York Trigger".

I expect a decocked P99/P99c would be drop safe even if the 3 "real" safeties and the sear all failed/were not present, simply because a drop from any reasonable height probably wouldn't provide enough energy to pull the striker back far enough to actually set off a primer. Obviously that's not true of the same gun if it's cocked, but even then, it would take the failure of 3 safeties and the sear to make the gun go off. While it's theoretically possible, it's so unlikely that it'd be ridiculous to treat it as a serious concern. Of course, if the pistol in question has been modified in some way, all bets are off.

 

[surrealone]

My thoughts exactly.

Mine, too...

 

[grumpy1]

Right on the Walther web site. ^^^^^^ And to restate my thoughts and others-sure would be nice to here from the OP and I'm guessing it's a ND if he doesn't chime in.

It could also be that he has talked to a lawyer. Hopefully he is not in the hospital with complications due to his injury.

 

[Dukes4aces]

Again even so, He could just say it's a legal matter now..... We will never know if this is fact or fiction or the circumstances that might help reduce any other occurrences of this " alleged" incident.

 

[grumpy1]

Again even so, He could just say it's a legal matter now.....

A good lawyer would tell him to not discuss or make a comment to anyone period, if that is what happened.

 

[1917-1911M]

I see threads like this from time to time and it's always amazing....what I'll call fanboys.....can't take a man at his word. I'm not calling any Members here a liar especially when I wasn't there. There may be a good reason the OP isn't commenting. If this happened to me I wouldn't spend too much time here arguing my case.

OK, everyone with a P99c, load er up....put your shootin' hand on top of the muzzle and let's go out and bang the pistol up and down to make sure all those safeties work 100% of the time.....every time. I'll wait for your reports. I personally don't count on any safety to be 100% reliable. Firearms are dangerous and need to be handled with respect at all times regardless of number of safeties. A little dirt here, a lack of lubrication there.....just sayin'. Plastic frames holding important parts I trust even less.

Was glad to see that ornery old OldFart offer a post of best wishes for a speedy recovery. M1911

 

[BlitzPig]

The problem is, this is the internet.

This is a very typical modus operandi for a fan, or worse a paid shill, of another brand, dropping a post in a forum so that it can be found in internet searches about problems with a specific product, the purpose of which is to defame or call into question that product.

I'm calling BS on this whole thing.

 

[Milspec]

Let's watch calling out members in public please. Thanks.