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P38-K with additional 7.65 Para barrel

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I've joined this forum to get a little help on a few pistols I recently purchased. Basically they were various kinds of P.38 pistols. Among them were two which are tough to find information upon.

One of these guns is a P38-K pistol in "9 PARA" (9x19mm) caliber which comes with an additional "7.65 PARA" (.30 Luger/7.65x21mm Luger) barrel; both barrels carrying the Walther flag and German firing proofs on them. The main source of information I was able to find was on the P38.nl Website which identified my pistol to be in the correct serial range. However, the checkering on the grips of my pistol seems to be different, as well as the firing proof being in a different position. Also my pistol has circle with a dot stamped both on the slide as well as on the 7.65 caliber barrel in front.

The "CAT 2401" marking on the slide I would had identified as an Italian designation; at least I know of similar markings which once were required in Italy. This made me question the 9x19mm caliber since it is prohibited in Italy. Checking of the 9mm barrel though confirmed it indeed is 9x19mm and not the Italian 9x21mm. So either it was supposed to go to Italy, what it then didn't, or it went to Italy with the 7.65 barrel and when coming back got the factory 9x19mm barrel.

Anyway, I would appreciate if the local members could confirm the pistol being an original P38-K pistol. I yet need to give it a proper cleaning, only thing I so far did was to fill the markings with a crayon for taking the pictures.
 

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Therefore I assume that the markings on the right side of the slide after the marking eagle over N, i.e. the coat of arms with diamonds and the number 77, have something to do with the Munich police.
It is the proof symbol of the Beschussamt München. See yourself at Ortszeichen deutscher Beschussämter . This is what the seller called the Bavarian Police Property stamp, and this is simply incorrect.

Generally spoken, I see no issue with a pistol having two firing proofs, even if they are within a very close time frame. There are enough reasons why a pistol would need to be reproofed.
 
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I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but I still doubt that there are actually proof marks on the right side of the slide, even though one of them looks like that.
From 1977 onwards, the year of the proof test was always coded, as on the left side of the frame with HH = 77, 1977. Behind the alleged sign of the Munich proof house, however, 77 is a number and not a code. Strange, isn't it?
And what should the number 23 after 77 mean?
And a weapon is tested twice within just one year by two different proof houses? Very strange, isn't it?
No one in Europe would fake a proof stamp since this would be the same crime as to fake a passport - also this would not add any value, so doesn't make any sense at all to do a "fake proof". And I see no reason why to fake a proof stamp in the US. There are enough reasons for a weapon to be proofed twice, even within a year. A major repair would be one reason. I have a rifle which has three firing proofs, all from the same proof house, two within one year (original proof, proof when barrel was changed two years later and the same year another proof when the new barrel was threaded).