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They both started having feeding issues even with new springs. I had to tune the mags to get them to run. The ultra short throat in the barrel was a pain too. Now they are changing the design and from what I hear won't be available for 8-12 months. Even though I got them to run, parts are scarce to none. It was time to get them gone.I'm just curious why you sold your Canik Rival S's? (I don't disagree, just curious) My PDP has been 100% reliable since day one. My Rival S was a POS. I didn't trust it after many issues (Unrelated to mag over insertion. That was not the issue) Tons of feeding issues. Walther for me is absolutely reliable, accurate and more refined. The new Steel frame has my attention as a possible USPSA option and a cool range gun.