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Yeah, like you didn't try to catch it. Try again.

 

If he didn't make a grab for it and it went off, according to Walther it has 2 drop safties and 1 firing pin block. Kinda hard to imagine that it did go off normally unless something has been modified or is defective.

 

Sorry to hear that......wish you a speedy recovery.

 

If one is going to have an ND I suppose on the can is better then reholstering during tactical training....both are painful but at least (I'm making an assumption here) no one saw your shame.

I hope no nerves, bones or tendons were damaged....

 

Sorry for the loss of skin. It's good that things didn't turn out worse.

There's plenty more I'd like to hear about this incident, by the way. The devil is in the details.

No photos. Please ... no photos.

 

Just curious was it in a decocked state? I've dropped my P99c 2x w/out a discharge in a decocked state.

 

Just curious was it in a decocked state?

A drop safety should work regardless. I witnessed a chambered PPQ being dropped with no adverse consequences.
While I feel sorry for a fellow Walther owner being injured, I am also sure that we don't know some of the material facts on the general condition of the firearm and any work done on it.

 

Ouch. Sorry to hear that and hope you are going to heal quickly.

 

Falls out of my iwb holster.

What kind of holster, was retention adjusted?

 

Wow! Sorry to hear and glad it wasn't worse.

 

Adding to that, if we ASSUME that Walther is truthful about 2 drop safeties and 1 firing pin block and he has not done anything to the gun that could cause it (if so, all bets are off), odds are that the 2 safeties are not working and it would be possible but improbable. I'd send it back to Walther for a good inspection with a description of the problem. I have dropped my P99C AS and I do not ever decock it and it didn't go off.

 

IMO I feel the poster should provide more details and be proactive with Walther and the community here for resolve.

 

I think this is BS. An AS should always be carried decocked, if you aren't going to carry it that way you bought the wrong weapon. You should have bought a weapon with a Glockie trigger. Carrying a fully cocked weapon without a manual safety is like carrying a grenade with the pin pulled and hoping you don't drop it. Anytime you unbuckle your belt the weapon should have already been removed and placed in a safe position.

 

I think this is BS. An AS should always be carried decocked ...

Says who? The company that tells you to keep your gun and ammo separate? Or the one that tells you to NOT use reloads? Or how about only use Walther stuff? Those are CYA statements.

So no carry on the PPQ then? The list goes on but you get the point.

Fair enough.

 

If it hit the ground and went off, then I assume that it hit the ground in a "muzzle up" position. Both the drop safety on the trigger, as well as the firing pin block, should have prevented a chambered round from going off.

I, also, would like to know more specifics.

Was it decocked in DA mode, cocked in AS mode, or cocked in SA mode?

Was every part in the pistol an original part, or were springs and/or parts swapped with aftermarket parts, or in any way altered from their original state?

How far did the pistol drop?

Did you try to catch the pistol as it fell?

 

Both the drop safety on the trigger, as well as the firing pin block, should have prevented a chambered round from going off. ...

Supposedly they list 2, not 1, 2 drop safties.

What does it matter? The safties should work either way or there is something defective?

If it wasn't defective and he tried that, we could have a totally different issue. If he didn't (and I wasn't there so IDK) there could be a defective gun.

 

Supposedly they list 2, not 1, 2 drop safties.

There is a drop safety on the trigger that prevents the trigger bar from moving to the rear unless the trigger is pulled, in case the pistol is dropped in a "muzzle up" position. This stops the trigger bar from cocking the striker, and it also stops the trigger bar from lifting the firing pin block.

There is also a firing pin block safety, which prevents the striker from reaching the primer on the chambered cartridge in case a drop causes the striker to slip off of the sear.

This is if the pistol was cocked. If the pistol was decocked, it would be even more unlikely. The drop from (I'm assuming) waist high, would have had to cock the striker with enough force so that when it went forward to impact the primer, it would have enough momentum to fire the chambered round, and then the firing pin block would have had to have been not working at that exact moment.

What does it matter? The safties should work either way or there is something defective?

If it wasn't defective and he tried that, we could have a totally different issue. If he didn't (and I wasn't there so IDK) there could be a defective gun.

What does it matter if I ask the question. We're trying to figure out what happened, and why. When trying to diagnose a problem, it is usually helpful to have as much information as possible.

 

There is also a firing pin block safety, which prevents the striker from reaching the primer on the chambered cartridge in case a drop causes the striker to slip off of the sear.

This is if the pistol was cocked. If the pistol was decocked, it would be even more unlikely.

According to Walther, there are 2 drop safties and 1 firing pin block safety making a grand total of 3.

Hence my question. What does it matter? Would there be more force required to force the striker onto the percussion cap decocked or cocked? IDK. Is there extra force only on the trigger side when decocked and does it translate to the firing pin? Again, IDK

 

According to Walther, there are 2 drop safties and 1 firing pin block safety making a grand total of 3.

I'd like to see this information. Please provide the documents that list all three safeties and what they do.

Hence my question. What does it matter? Would there be more force required to force the striker onto the percussion cap decocked or cocked? IDK. Is there extra force only on the trigger side when decocked and does it translate to the firing pin? Again, IDK

With all due respect, I'd like to hear from the OP, and I'd like for my questions to be answered.

One reason that it matters is because depending on how the pistol was carried, different sets of circumstances would have had to come into play in order for the pistol to fire from a drop, if either the pistol was cocked, or the pistol was decocked.

I'll wait for the OP's response before I put any more reasons out there.

 

I'd like to see this information. Please provide the documents that list all three safeties and what they do.

With all due respect, I'd like to hear from the OP, and I'd like for my questions to be answered.

IDK. I was just reading the brochure.

 

Seems that we'll likely never know what really happened....regardlesss......it also seems like a good time to review safety bits for those P99 and PPQers out there (myself included). We should make this into a learning opportunity for those new to the P99/PPQ.

GENERAL - One should periodically check the integrity and function of the safety mechanisms of your pistol(s).

With the slide off, make sure the striker safety plunger moves freely in its channel and is not excessively lubricated. The striker safety plunger should depress downward and quickly return to rest without excessive force from a finger or probe.

With slide off, make sure the striker safety plunger effectively blocks forward movement of the striker by gently pressing forward on the striker's lug until you feel the striker hit the body of the striker safety plunger.

With the slide off a P99, make sure the trigger bar is immobilized by the pivoting trigger by gently tugging rearward on the trigger bar with the slide off.

With the slide off on a PPQ, make sure the trigger dingus effectively immobilizes the trigger and trigger bar through a similar method to above.

To be especially thorough, you can even reassemble and check an EMPTY gun by shining a flashlight down the magwell to watch the trigger bar's interaction with the striker safety plunger upon actuation. The striker safety plunger should not be engaged until the trigger pull has begun.

Failure of any of these tests should see the pistol removed immediately from service and the manufacturer contacted.

Lastly, it should be noted that these safety systems are similar on all modern striker fired guns, and the above checks (modified accordingly) should be done periodically regardless of brand/type/make/etc.

 

FAQ IX-15

 

It is interesting to me to learn that there is a possibility that there is another safety feature on the P99 that I didn't know about. Hopefully someone can chime in and state where it is, what it does, and how it works.

If it is true, then this would just make an unintentional discharge from a drop that much more unlikely.

 

Besides the 2 drop and 1 firing pin, if you want to consider the decocker a "safety feature", I suppose we can categorize it in the same class as the "New York Trigger".

 

P99 - Walther Arms

 

Right on the Walther web site. ^^^^^^ And to restate my thoughts and others-sure would be nice to here from the OP and I'm guessing it's a ND if he doesn't chime in.

 

And to restate my thoughts and others-sure would be nice to here from the OP and I'm guessing it's a ND if he doesn't chime in.

My thoughts exactly.

 

Again even so, He could just say it's a legal matter now..... We will never know if this is fact or fiction or the circumstances that might help reduce any other occurrences of this " alleged" incident.

 

Again even so, He could just say it's a legal matter now.....

A good lawyer would tell him to not discuss or make a comment to anyone period, if that is what happened.

 

I see threads like this from time to time and it's always amazing....what I'll call fanboys.....can't take a man at his word. I'm not calling any Members here a liar especially when I wasn't there. There may be a good reason the OP isn't commenting. If this happened to me I wouldn't spend too much time here arguing my case.

OK, everyone with a P99c, load er up....put your shootin' hand on top of the muzzle and let's go out and bang the pistol up and down to make sure all those safeties work 100% of the time.....every time. I'll wait for your reports. I personally don't count on any safety to be 100% reliable. Firearms are dangerous and need to be handled with respect at all times regardless of number of safeties. A little dirt here, a lack of lubrication there.....just sayin'. Plastic frames holding important parts I trust even less.

Was glad to see that ornery old OldFart offer a post of best wishes for a speedy recovery. M1911

 

I see threads like this from time to time and it's always amazing....what I'll call fanboys.....can't take a man at his word. I'm not calling any Members here a liar especially when I wasn't there.

The problem is that the OP is two lines of text which barely demonstrate proficiency with the English language and provide near zero detail on the incident in question, and that the poster has not come back to answer any of the (IMO legitimate) questions that have been raised. As BlitzPig said, it *feels* very much like a trolling and/or astroturfing attempt. I'm not claiming that that's what happened, but the tone and the "drive-by" nature of it make it feel that way.

OK, everyone with a P99c, load er up....put your shootin' hand on top of the muzzle and let's go out and bang the pistol up and down to make sure all those safeties work 100% of the time.....every time. I'll wait for your reports. I personally don't count on any safety to be 100% reliable. Firearms are dangerous and need to be handled with respect at all times regardless of number of safeties. A little dirt here, a lack of lubrication there.....just sayin'. Plastic frames holding important parts I trust even less.

I don't think anyone has claimed that it's impossible for one or more safeties to fail, but as has been discussed, the pistol would have to have been cocked *and* have had 3 separate safeties and the sear all either fail or be disabled in order for the gun to fire without a foreign object interacting with the trigger. Occam's razor points to the idea that several people have suggested: an instinctive grab for the gun as it fell, causing a finger, thumb, or just some chunk of clothing or holster to get into the trigger guard, and then an unexpected and unintentional loud noise and a lot of pain. It's certainly not impossible that the OP told the whole story, but on the face of it, from a logical perspective, it seems unlikely.

As far as your ludicrous suggestion for testing goes, there's a much lower risk method; prime an empty case (or pull the bullet and powder from a loaded round), load that into the chamber, hold your hand *not* over the muzzle, and then smack back end of the slide into the table at the range. If you hear a pop, your gun failed. If not, it passed. You're still violating some basic safety rules, but at least you're not setting yourself up for serious pain and suffering if something goes wrong.

 

The problem is, this is the internet.

This is a very typical modus operandi for a fan, or worse a paid shill, of another brand, dropping a post in a forum so that it can be found in internet searches about problems with a specific product, the purpose of which is to defame or call into question that product.

I'm calling BS on this whole thing.

 

Let's watch calling out members in public please. Thanks.

 

OK, I have no doubt NE dropped his P99C and wound up getting shot in the calf. The question is, how in the cornbread 8ell did this happen? We'll probably never know.

What's happened here is we've probably run off a long-time member. Will he ever come back to this forum? Maybe not.....I know I'd not be inclined to.

Ya know.....years ago, we were cleaning up after supper and my 10 year old son was washing the dishes. I was doing the drying. He picked up a glass to wash it and is slipped out of his hand.....his instincts told him to reach/grab for it at the same time I was yelling 'NO' .... it was too late, the glass hit the sink and broke as he was trying to grab it. Yep, he cut his finger.

Moral to that story is, sometimes your instincts take over and cloud 'good judgment'. And, many times someone can not actually recall the exact chain of events. Just sayin'.

Was there an instinctive 'grab' made for the falling gun? Did a finger nick the trigger in the process? Only his hair dresser knows.

Any time I'm packin', and have to do my business, I carefully place my hand around the gun/holster/belt/pants and lower very deliberately and slowly....making sure I place the wad of pants and pistol properly. When I'm finished, its the same thing in reverse order. So far, that's worked for me.