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#1 ·
how much should I pay for a p99 in 9mm if it was made and imported to the usa?
 
#9 ·
Don't feel badly, Truckins. There are a lot of gun store employees who have for years erroneously reported to unsuspecting buyers that S&W owns Walther, so it's easy to see how this stuff gets out there.
 
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#13 ·
From everything I've heard,Walther used to have a deal with Interarms to import their guns. When Interarms went out of business Walther lost their importing rights so they asked Smith and Wesson to build a batch of P99 in the USA (approximatly 5000) so that they could continue USA sales. The ~5000 S&W P99 pistols have serial numbers that start with 46 and neither the slide or barrel have the eagle over N marks on them. Also on the accessory rail there is no markings, no eagle over N, no 2 letter date codes, and no stag sword looking thing. ALL imported guns have the eagle over N markings on them. The ~5000 guns have the "Walther USA LLC / Springfield, MA" stamps on the slide as well and the frame still says Made in Germany because the frames were still Walther frames. The slides still say "Walther P99" just like the rest. My friend has one of these guns. Other than those ~5000 guns all Walthers are 100% made in Germany. After that run of ~5000 Walther had gotten set up with the feds to use Smith and Wesson as their importer which is when the guns started saying "Smith and Wesson / Springfield, MA" on the slides. Also I've only seen .45 caliber SW99 which is completely a Smith and Wesson gun. I could be wrong on .45 being the only caliber out there.
 
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#14 ·
I just googled SW99 and it is in 9mm, .40, and .45, they have Walther make their frames for them with their logo on the grip. The slides and barrels are all made by S&W and say SW99 on them. They too have different models of the SW99 just like Walther does. The ~5000 guns Walther had them make for them say P99 on them, not SW99.
 
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#16 ·
dchase20 said:
The ~5000 guns Walther had them make for them say P99 on them, not SW99.
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Just want to clarify what you mean by this? Smith and Wesson never made anything stamped P99, they just imported them (Walther made P99's) and provided customer support. Smith and Wesson was stamped on those slides in relative miniscule fashion, per firearm import laws. The joint Walther/S&W collaboration product say SW99 on them (at least every one I have seen).
 
#15 ·
You are correct that Interarms used to be the Walther importer/distributor until that company's demise following the death of owner Sam Cummings in 1998. Smith & Wesson took over very shortly (almost immediately) thereafter.

I know of absolutely no agreement between S&W and Walther that called for S&W to build P99 pistols in the U.S. The SW99 project was a collaboration project dating back to 1999.
 
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#17 ·
See these 2 pages which talk about it:

http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/IX/8.html
http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/IX/5.html

Those 2 links are from this page under General Questions #5 & #8:

http://lundestudio.com/WaltherP99FAQ/

This link takes you to one of these guns thats currently listed on GunBroker.com and unfortunatly the seller has no idea that his gun has been pieced together and neither barrel came in that gun from the factory let alone as a "factory kit". Take note that the slide and frame have ZERO markings for import what so ever. It also still carries "Walther P99" on the slide and is marked Springfield, MA which is where Smith and Wesson is. Not only does it not have the eagle over N on either frame or slide (take note that the barrel serial is from a different gun that was from an Interarms genuine import via its serial number).:


Walther P99 .40 & 9mm Factory Combo Kit 5 Mags Box : Semi Auto Pistols at GunBroker.com
 
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The ~5000 guns Walther had them make for them say P99 on them, not SW99
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.40 S&W caliber only

Identifiable by the lack of "Eagle over N" proof mark

S&W made the slide and barrel. The frame and small parts were made in Germany
 
#22 ·
First of all, every P99 is a "non S&W" weapon. S&W was the importer, not the manufacturer.

Secondly, Smith & Wesson's import stamp has nothing to do with the QC of any P99 made. They were all produced, proofed, and quality controlled at the Walther Factory in Ulm, Germany.
 
#25 ·
Yes, every single one has the ulm proofmark. S&W MADE the PPK. Interarms imported it. Does a BMW you buy at your local dealer have any differences other than the dealers sticker on the rear? No, and its substantially less expensive than getting a new BMW shipped over on your dime (I.e. going thru Earl's for a "100% German" gun.)


I have no problem with stickers.
 
#26 ·
branflake12 said:
Yes, every single one has the ulm proofmark. S&W MADE the PPK. Interarms imported it.
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Interarms also "made" the PPK and PPK/S here in the U.S. by contracting Ranger Manufacturing in Alabama.
 
#28 ·
The last true, German-made PP-series pistols came out in 1999, some of which were imported. Most other PP-series pistols in the U.S. were made here by either Interarms/Ranger or S&W starting sometime in the late '70s or early '80s, I believe.
 
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