[Jimmo952]

"More safety. Less Risk"

Golly HK, how did you do that?

"You see we lightened the trigger, made the striker fully pre-cocked and removed the safety lever"

💀☠💀

LOL.. I'm sure it will be fine but the marketing for their new guns gives me a chuckle.

Marketing guys are going to market...

Truth is incidental to the exercise.

 

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I don't want to just be a hater so heres a few more cents to add to the other two.

I like that they reduced the length of the slide release/catch on the CC9 compared to the SF9CC. Not a big fan of the longer levers.


Aesthetically I think this is a step backwards versus VP9 or SF9. I wasn't a big fan of the "wings" at the end of the slides on VP9 ETC, I'm glad those are gone, but everything about this gun just looks kind of uninspiring. It doesn't look classic, it doesn't look futuristic. It looks utilitarian and cheap. Not thrilled that the paddle is replaced with a button.


Sort of reminds me of the Kimber R7 Mako. Another gun from a higher-end manufacturer that that came out after the P365 and got no love because it was uninspiring, expensive and not as good as the SIG.




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The CC9 does have a sort of "me too" look about it. Obviously how it performs is more important though.

Is the P365 really better than it's competitors or did it get their first and has mindshare?

Is it really a better gun than the Smith Shield, FN Reflex, Kimber Mako, ... ?

These all seem to be decent guns that just couldn't wrestle marketshare away from the P365.

Admittedly, the P365 is the smallest of them.

I dont have an opinion on this one. I'm curious what you think?

 

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Fair question. The P365 is unquestionably an excellent platform, but is the P365 really better?

Being first to the party definitely helps but I think the P365 offers some very compelling features that much of the competition still does not.

In CCW, size is a chief consideration for many. Being the smallest counts for A LOT in some circles.

Anyone releasing an all new pistol without a chassis system in 2024 is straight up missing the plot. If your gun doesn't have that, you've immediately ceded market share for no good reason. (Unless that reason is 'we couldn't figure out how to make it work reliably')


FN at least did something slightly different with it's internal hammer system instead of going striker fired.

Shield+ is just fine, but I despise how they plaster warning labels all over it... and missing a chassis system.


HK probably has much greater brand loyalty than say, Kimber, but I suspect this will not be a hit.

Frankly I half-way expect HK to release this and then give the USA the SF9CC about 18 months later, so they can get another sale out of all the early-adopter CC9 guys.

Thanks for the response.

The Kimber is a Bubits design. Nothing wrong with the design.

Kimber lacks "cred" in the tactical world though and despite marketing itself as a premium brand has a questionable relationship with it's QA department.

I didn't mention Ruger. I should have. I'm sure they sell a lot of their small 9mms and 380s.

They go after the lower end of the market. Kind of the "working man's gun". Not flashy but their stuff generally works.

If the CC9 did actually make it through Nato testing, that is something in my book. It should mean very good things as far as durability and reliability go.

 

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I've read a lot about the Rugers.

Ruger does sell a ton of Max9s, Security9s, LCP380s/LCPII/LCPMAX380 and all other flavors of gun.

From what I gather, they're often very good but there are no shortage of reports of issues that sometimes require multiple return trips or complete replacement of the gun.

I own a few Rugers (SP101MC 357, GP100MC 357, SuperGP100 357, LCR9mm, AR556, couple 10/22s) and the quality control on them makes me believe the end user IS the quality control. I won't list all my gripes here, but I have enough that I listen with an open ear very seriously to reports of Max9s, LCPMax380s being finicky or even outright junk.

I'm not sure if it's variances in production or if the designs are fundamentally less reliable than the competition (or perhaps a combination of the two), but I suspect the HK will significantly outclass the Ruger Max9 in terms of reported reliability and finish... of course you probably won't see the HK's selling for <$300 either.

HK will probably be priced at the top of the food chain.

Hopefully the quality reflects that.

I'm certainly looking forward to shooting one.

Any idea when these will be out in the wild?

 

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I’m a huge HK fan, but man. None of the new stuff really impresses me. This pistol is too M&P Shieldy/Springfieldy for me to be blown away. It’s not even that much thinner than a VP9SK

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I’m going to buy a VP70 just to be spiteful.

Well let's hope the CC9 trigger is better than the VP70s.

 

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HK is noteworthy for some really crunchy triggers out of the box. As an ode to Obendorf...I'll tolerate the VP70 trigger. HA!

Yeah....what's that about? Great quality guns with mediocre (If I'm being kind) triggers.

Why?

Maybe that's not quite fair. The P7s I used to shoot had good triggers. I really like their LEM trigger.

They CAN make good triggers but I guess sometimes feel their customers are not worthy.

 

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I’m not gonna judge this pistol based on how it looks… but I don’t think it looks bad. It looks like a modern pistol.

And it’s an HK. So you know there’s mad QC and R&D behind it. And “cannon-grade” steel inside it. That’s why you buy an HK.

For me, though… on a dedicated carry gun… the idea of a fully cocked action with no manual safety and no SCD (which the Walther PPS includes, free of charge!) doesn’t really appeal to me.

This is (I think) the first US designed and produced HK pistol.

I know HK's produced a few other pistols in the US but this pistol is breaking new ground.

It's not US production of an existing HK pistol but a new gun unique to the USA.

That at least is a wildcard with this pistol.

Will HK standards of reliability, materials and attention to detail be preserved or will there be some rough edges or teething issues?

Is it being produced all in-house by HK USA or are parts of it being farmed out to quiet partners?

These are at least questions. Hopefully HK USA nails it and the gun is great.

I don't take it as a given though. At least not yet.

 

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Good points.

In HK’s announcement of HK USA they specifically mentioned their commitment to maintaining the same quality in the US-designed/manufactured products. I’m inclined to believe them… until they give me cause not to.

Well I guess since they said so...

 

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HK officially announced the CC9 today.

 

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Well no one can accuse HK of rushing this pistol out the door.

Hopefully that means HK avoids the new gun bobbles that have plagued some other companies small gun introductions.

We will see.

The CC9 is getting a lot of hate online. Mostly for looks and style, which I find a little humorous.

I want to shoot one some before rushing to judgement.

 

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This may have been said before, but TFB on YouTube had actually been hands on with it the last three years as they continued to test and improve, and he said he thought it was goood-to-go back then! He said it’s over-engineered and tested beyond any reasonable limits. I don’t watch him a lot so I don’t know if he likes every single gun that he reviews . . . like some tubers seem to do. His biggest beef was the ambi mag release button!

But of course, there’s always something unanticipated no matter how hard you try to cover all the bases on a new product. Like you, I still want to give it the in-hand test as well. It’s not like my MC9 and 365 suck so bad that I’m looking for something new right this second. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t buy it if I saw it at the store today either. 🤷‍♂️

That's the hill HK has to climb. Almost everyone who wants a micro-9 already has one. It's a crowded field.

TFB is better than most. In this case, James Reeves went out of his way to say he's not getting paid by HK in any form.

I think he's mentioned in the past about some "relationship" with Glock.

At least he's upfront about that kind of stuff.

 

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Mine arrives either today or tomorrow via FedEx (weather & road access pending). As I've said before, if the CC9 shoots, handles, and carries as well as (if not better than) my PPS M2 LE, I'll be content.

That's exactly where I'm at.

If I can ask, where are you getting yours from?

 

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GA Firing Line out of Marietta GA w/ discount. FedEx tracking says today for arrival, but downed trees still on the road to the TASC here on base.

Thanks. Appreciated.

 

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Also great move on HK manufacturing the CC9 here in USA and I expect the same from Walther eventually for a "micro 9MM". Apparently from what I have read German export laws are extremely strict on exporting and do not allow/very difficult for the "micro 9MM pistols". SIG got tired of dealing with their export laws, among other things, and shut down operations totally in Germany some years back.

HK and Walther are both getting manufacturing up and running in the USA.

Sounds like even some design is being done in the USA.

There was a forum member who posted about the difficulty of sharing information between the German and US Walther staffs when the PPK project was underway in Fort Smith. Import/Export restrictions and red tape on both sides.

I like my German guns. Most of us do on this forum. It sounds though like there are very good reasons for both Walther and HK building out their US-based manufacturing and design capabilities.

 

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The new HK CC9 is getting a lot of comments and buzz on the internet. Lots of talk about the look but talk nevertheless.

Somewhere in Germany right now is a Walther Exec thinking "Maybe we should build a micro-9?"

 

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They've probably already have it and are just waiting to announce it, but HK beat to them to the punch with theirs...

Based on the patents and drawings out there, we know they've done some design work in that area.

 

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Airborne. Thanks for the detailed, thoughtful review.

You are not the first one to mention the slide being a little harder to rack than on some other similar guns.

Maybe we'll see those HK charging wings make an appearance down the road.

All in all it sounds great though. I look forward to shooting one.

 

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When is the next batch of CC9s expected to become available?

 

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Certainly not a flattering picture, and definitely not using the proper mount. Looks as if it was set up that way on purpose to detract from it...

Certainly not a flattering picture, and definitely not using the proper mount. Looks as if it was set up that way on purpose to detract from it...

It's Guns&Ammo. I'm going with incompetence.