He's correct. The " SFP9cc " is not releasing in the U.S., but the " VP9cc " will (eventually).

 

I visited the HK booth during the recent NRA meeting in Atlanta. I told the rep I had heard the SFP9cc was going to be released in the U.S. the rep told that that was wrong.

 

Is there a place that compares the CC9 vs the SFP9cc (VP9cc)? I have a P30, VP9 and VP9SK, they have all been excellent with zero issues. I've tried to purchase a CC9 on several occasions but they were out of stock.

I owned a couple P365's, one P365X and one X-Macro Comp. I've since sold the X-Macro and purchased a Radian Afterburner+Ramjet comp along with an Icarus Air grip polymer grip module for my P365X. I can use the P365X in its stock form or switch to the Radian comp with Air grip module for 17 rounds.

That said, I'm not a big fan of the P365 trigger. After trying several aftermarket triggers I found I like the MCarbo Short Stroke trigger the best. While it's fine for a SD handgun, it leaves a lot to be desired. In my opinion, the trigger on my Shield Plus is a lot better and when I switched to the Overwatch Precision TAC trigger it's downright nice.

I rotate between my P365X and Shield Plus for my carry. If I had to choose one it would be the Shield Plus for sure. The newly released CSX E Series has caught my attention due to its 1911 "style" trigger but I want to handle it before I purchased one. If I can find a CC9 it will likely take precedence. My biggest question is why HK would release the CC9 and SFP9cc... That's why I would like to see an in depth comparison.

 

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My biggest question is why HK would release the CC9 and SFP9cc...
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Two different pistols for two different markets to perform two different purposes, although I'm sure there will be crossover utilization between the two.

 

I picked up a used CC9 a couple of weeks back. Have only had it out once, but it's a nice shooter. Softer than a Shield Plus, more ergonomic. Feels like an overbuilt gun like everything else they make.

 

Feels like an overbuilt gun like everything else they make.

Maybe today. The HK 4 and P9S are pretty flimsy.

How is the trigger compared to the Shield Plus?

 

Does the CC9 barrel have a stepped chamber?

 

It does but it's not cut like the stepped chamber on the Walther or other HKs. I actually had to look a second time to catch it.

 

How does the CC9 compare in size to the Walther P99c?

 

Length:
CC9: ~6.7 inches
P99c: ~6.6 inches

Height:
CC9: ~4.6 inches (with flush mag)
P99c: ~4.3 inches

Width:
CC9: 1.45 inches at the widest (chunky slide)
P99c: 1.3 inches

Weight:
CC9: ~22.8 oz unloaded
P99c: ~21.2 oz unloaded

 

I grabbed the first available CC9 back in December. I promptly shot a few hundred rounds of old and new ammo through it. Gun feels great in hand, has smooth lines, is extremely accurate for a sub-compact and has a very fine trigger. Not as crisp as my SIG P229 Legion or Walther PPQ but still with a clean movement and short reset. My opinion is that the CC9 has impressed so many people that the initial production run was quickly sold out. HK (USA or Germany) was never about manufacturing on the level of some other companies so those wanting the experience will need patience or deep pockets for the scalpers. For the record, I’m a fan of most quality guns. The only ones I will avoid like the plague are Taurus (so-so production values and worst customer service on the planet) and Glock which I was forced to carry for years. Now theres a cult who think their guns are perfect. They are not. I know this is a Walther forum but since I work in the gun vault of a Bass Pro Shops, I will honestly say I have never witnessed the interest or fervor that a new firearm release has created like the CC9 has. The SIG P365 was hot as hell when first released but nothing like this new HK. Just sayin’

 

Just curious as to what your issues are with the Glock. I only own one (a G27 that I got in 2006), so I'm not here to defend them at all. But you had to carry one for years, so you would be the guy to ask. It's the only .40 I own. I recently shot it for the first time in years and I forgot how much kick it has in that size and caliber.

 

Thanks for saying that. I still enjoy my HKs, but I also have my Walther! Only one for now, but it's a nice one!

 

I am also on the HK site and was following that thread. Technically has nothing to do with the questions asked, but doublebarrelny, I in no way shape or form found your comments out of line. There are good guys on there and I thought it was pretty crappy how hard you were flamed. Sorry that you were treated that way. Also sorry to the OP for highjacking, just wanted to give credit where credit was due.

 

Soooooo… what do you think about the trigger? I didn’t actually fire the gun I fondled but found the trigger extremely underwhelming. How about yours?

 

I had your initial reservations regarding the trigger when I got my CC9 as I was hoping for a trigger as good as my VP9sk and it wasn't. As Airborne stated, the good news is it broke in really nicely and now has a good trigger.

Okay, now, DEEP BREATH

Regarding the thread on HKPro, nobody called either individual with the damaged gun a liar. If you aren't familiar with the forum, it has a LOT of drive-by trolling and/or people signing up just to scam. That leads to a large amount of skepticism with non-established members, admittedly sometimes to an unfair level, but that's the way the internet is these days. People were critical and asked questions as to the circumstances and admittedly were skeptical (and yes, a bit sarcastic in a few instances) about the initial lack of info. I personally did believe the guns blew up as stated (there was at least some evidence of that) but was of the opinion that it was likely an ammo issue based on my experience, although I did note that it also could have been a QC issue. Sadly, a couple people decided that it HAD to be the guns fault despite all evidence pointing to the ammo being the cause and that obviously led to heated discussion. One could argue that mistakes were made on both sides due to the initial skepticism, but there's no reason to drag all of that here, the posts are there for anyone to read.

As far as the two blown-up CC9s, the cause was confirmed as ammo failure. Bad ammo can blow up almost any gun after all. HKUSA examined the pistols, found that the cause was an ammo failure event, and still repaired the pistols at no cost to the user.

HK's SFP9cc will likely come to the US soon as well in the form of a VP9cc so there will be another option for folks soon, but for what it's worth, the few people I know that the few people who have shot both the actually thought the CC9 was as good as the SFP9cc and one actually stated that he preferred the CC9 in most respects.

 

I'm also on HK Pro, and I'm following the same post(s) about the 2 CC9 instances. Sorry to hear about any injury to anyone, especially if it's related to firearms. Praying for a speedy recovery to all involved (physically, mentally, etc.). I don't know all of the firsthand details and specifics from the postings, and at this point I doubt we'll ever know all of them, but I would hope and think that HK USA looks into these situations and take appropriate action(s).

I'm not sure if actual "shooting glasses" were worn by the one injured lady, as I've seen numerous shooters get by with "safety glasses" when on the range. Regardless, I hope the causing factors to these rear Striker slide plates failing is determined. I know both the pistols and the ammo can potentially be "duds", so we've gotta mitigate as many safety issues as possible. Ballistic-rated shooting glasses and doubled-up hearing protection everybody, please...

I can say that the 2 HKCC9's in our household have successfully fired over 2,000rds each without incident. My Wife recently completed a 2-Day Concealed Carry/Self Defense course with her CC9 where she put over 800rds of mostly +P ammo through hers, and mine has also been through (very) regular range use with Gold Dot stuff as well. Maintenance-wise, both are still looking and shooting good and we've already sourced replacement parts for the high wear stuff.

If HK USA comes up with additional guidance and further information as to what's going on with the CC9 in general, we'll be all ears. In the meantime, we will still carry ours until we see/hear otherwise. I think those 2 instances were just (very) unfortunate events that may or may not have involved a "hot" round in the mix.

 

Hopefully they were. I thought it was an odd coincidence that it happened to two people in a short span. Even with the best quality control, some bad products ship occasionally. I know it went through a long testing process, and I doubt HK USA would release their first major product if they weren't completely thorough. They certainly didn't rush to market. But certainly people should know and be free to share their negative experiences. One thing I learned is that I'm getting better eye protection than I currently use.

 

Finally got to handle a CC9 yesterday. Feels perfect in my hand. Aims itself. Nice heft, no sharp edges. Trigger pull is mushy and light. Meh, off my list.

 

Yeah, HK isn't usually known for having great triggers.

 

I've owned a couple dozen HK pistols (still have 4) and I think they are good, but definitely not
as great as HK and their fanboys would like you to believe them to be. There was a time when
I bought into the HK Hype, But I came to my senses a couple of years ago and will not be buying
anymore of them. YMMV.

 

I agree. I think they are well built guns, and reliable. I have a P30SK in my carry rotation (because I like hammer-fired guns), and I also have a P7M8, which shoots great and would be an EDC if it wasn't so expensive. I think they are still a good company, but definitely living off of their past accomplishments. They tried to make it seem like the CC9 was so late to the party because they were taking their time developing the ultimate micro. It just doesn't seem to offer more than what's out there except for the name. And I'm all for "Made in the USA" for most things, but not for HKs.

 

Two guys posted separately on HK Pro about the firing pin blowing out of the back of the CC9 while firing factory ammo at the range. Both posted photos of their damaged guns. One guy's wife had to get sutures on her eyelid and eyeball when the firing pin shattered her shooting glasses. Some of the HK sycophants on the forum called them both liars and one even demanded to see photos of the guy's wife's injuries juries as proof (the same guy who said I was lying about my profession and experience). I dared to stick up for the guys and said that HK USA might have released a dud. Unsurprisingly given that no one is allowed to even infer that HK might have made a subpar product on that forum, I was banned for "trolling" for responding to every post that was directed back at me. Anyway, long story short, maybe these two incidents were anomalies, but there are proven micro compacts out there that don't have this issue. So just look out to see if any more of these incidents with the CC9 are reported.

 

A few CC9 were available at grabagun yesterday for about 8 minutes.
I suppose scalping is a thing for guns now too? Snapping it up for MSRP and putting it on gunbroker for twice that is a narrow edge to work if you don’t have a FFL…

 

Is that gun such a smash hit or is HK-USA only producing them in small quantities?

 

And does it take Glock mags!🙊

 

Oh, and I would buy a CC9 if I could, but California's stupid gun laws make this difficult...

 

Nice to still see you around, Jyo. Guessing you got impatient with Calguns? Hehe

 

Personally, I've fully adapted to the HK paddle mag release the minute I bought my first DA/SA 9mm full-size, USP in early 1994... However, I do have several other brands of pistols that still use the button mag release and don't find this to be a real problem anyway...! But, that's just me...

 

#teamheelrelease

The only truly civilized, completely egalitarian way to relinquish magazines from pistoles.

 

....without spilling your martini or taking your eye off the super villain you're in a heated game of 5-card draw with.

 

I have owned over 26 different HK pistols, but I'm not in love with them anymore like I
once was. My collection is now down to a Mark 23, USP Expert 9, USP 9, and USP 45
HK makes good pistols, but they really aren't as special as HK wants you to believe.

 

I have owned over 26 different HK pistols, but I'm not in love with them anymore like I
once was.. My collection is now down to a Mark 23, USP Expert 9, USP 9, and USP 45
They are good pistols, but they really aren't as special as HK wants you to believe.

I'm actually surprised you still own the Mark 23. I haven't bought an HK pistol in about two years now. Still like the legacy offerings better.

 

The CC9 is the first pistol designed, developed and made by HK USA, and as we keep getting told - Americans don’t like paddles. Walther and HK freaks don’t make up enough numbers to sway the marketing folks.

 

I think you are exactly right. It's a numbers game.

The paddles have some vocal adherents but the numbers are not there so we are seeing less pistols being made with paddles.

To some extent it's the same with DA/SA pistols. The system still has it's adherents but it's not as popular as it once was.

Manufacturers respond by not producing many new models of DA/SA pistols.

 

Seems the CC9 is still very difficult to find. I'd like to handle one, but who knows when that will happen. I have to wonder, wouldn't a paddle mag release still be possible, even with the thinner trigger guard of the CC9? Obviously, it wouldn't work with the existing HK paddle release, and would require a new design, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. But I also understand that the CC9 is for the U.S. market, and a button release will no doubt appeal to more people.

One pet peeve - a button release that is only on one side of the grip isn't "ambi," even if it's configurable for use on either side. A paddle release is an example of a true ambi design, capable of being used by either hand, with no change needed.

 

Owning several pistols in the past with paddle mag releases, including my current H&K VP9 SK OR, they take a little time getting used to. Push button mag releases both single, & Ambi, have been stock for most of us since the beginning. I almost find it easier manipulating the R/S Mag paddle release with my middle finger vs engaging the L/S paddle release with my index finger. Feels kind of awkward, but for me works better. I find European built firearms generally follow the paddle mag release system over the US built firearms which normally utilize the push button system. But that being said some grip modules being too big for our hands make using the push button style mag releases difficult, or harder to manipulate. They both have their place in the firearm industry & I can see the mag release system can be both a pro, & a con, depending on the interest of a potential firearm purchase. For me both styles are OK, but I am more use to the push button style, as the Europeans are most likely more use to the paddle system.

 

Because the HK CC9 is smaller/thinner than HK's own VP9SK, P30SK, and even the P2000SK, the CC9's trigger guard profile and undercut area would have to be redesigned in order to facilitate the highly desired and requested ambi paddle mag release. Here's a few quick pics of what I'm referring to...

From left to right is a VP9SK, CC9, and P30SK:

Side view of the same three:

From left to right is a USP9C, CC9, and a P2000:

Side view of the same three:

Here is a P2000SK on the left and a CC9 on the right:

Side view of the same two:

And to round out the smaller (current) HK pistols, from left to right is a USP45C, CC9, and a HK45C:

Side view of the same three:

Now unless HK USA redesigns and/or releases another variant of the CC9 with a wider trigger guard and grip module, we're gonna have to stick with the current ambi mag release button (which works extremely well for it's intended purpose on this pistol). Hope this helps.

 

Still wanting another sub compact for my EDC CC rotation, I've decided on the H&K CC9 vs any other pistols currently available on the market. Hopefully they will become more readily available in the near future at a fair price. It gives me time to research which RDS I want for it as well. Walther may throw a wrench in the equation by introducing a PPS M3 Optic Ready, with higher capacity mags, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon. Plus, my current PPS M2 LE 407K Optic, is still my number one in the EDC CC rotation, even having to carry a spare mag.

 

Still wanting another sub compact for my EDC CC rotation

Cheaper, and available now: a bunch of grip modules for your P365!