Walther already makes a Micro 9 - the PPS M2.

Hopefully we'll see an M3 with expanded capacity at some point...

 

Walther already makes a Micro 9 - the PPS M2.

Hopefully we'll see an M3 with expanded capacity at some point...

Agreed. OP: Despite the capacity, the PPS M2 is incredible. Shoot any micro 9 next to one and you'll find yourself coming back to the PPS over and over

 

I do find it strange that so many manufacturers didn't even try to compete with Sig's patented magazine design. It's been 7 years and even HK hasn't launched their answer to it

 

Well a few have, Springfield for example is the defendant in a patent infringement case brought by Sig for exactly that reason. Apparently Sig holds the rights to a 'half stack' 9mm magazine. Though it hasnt stopped Shield Arms from basically making the same thing for Glocks.

I would expect most other manufacturers are waiting for the dust to clear, and Walther is not known for jumping of fads as much as American gun makers.

 

purchased a PDP steal frame compact and will be arriving Wednesday, really looking forward to taking that to the range.

 

I just purchased a new PPS M2 and have put about 300 rounds through it. So far I am not impressed. I hate to admit but my Sig 365 shoots nicer. It’s ok and I will put a couple hundred more rounds through it to see if the trigger gets any better. But the trigger is just not up to Walther standards. I am interested in the FN Reflex. Sounds like it may be a worthy competitor to the 365.

 

Your striker spring is probably dragging on the channel. The spring is excessively long and gets balled up when it gets compressed. You can try cleaning it out, reinstalling the spring, polishing the spring a little, some would advise against lube but you can try. There's a handful of things you can do to smooth out the pull. I put a Glock spring in mine and it made it super light and smooth but I ordered a stock striker assembly for carry. Turns out the one I ordered was very smooth so I haven't reinstalled the Glock modified one even for plinking around with

 

Maybe one in th style of the pdp?

 

A "Mini P"?

 

Even though the trigger is not as good as a PPQ or PDP, I keep coming back to the PPS M2. Great ergonomics, easy recoil, slim to carry. I’ve got trijicon HD’s and a custom Kusiak holster. It’s just a great fit for my edc. When I don’t mind the extra chunk, I go with a Gen 5 G26.
Why Walther has not updated the PPS with what we the customers want is beyond me. We’ve got endless PDP configurations, can we please GET A PPS M3??? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Never heard of Kusiak. Looks like a great option. My carry guns are pretty well scratched up from carrying in kydex and most leather options just don’t seem to have good retention or trigger guards. I’ll likey try one of these out next time I order one

 

PPS is a good gun but it's capacity is pretty dang low for it's size and weight when cross shopped against the latest competition.

It's not a "micro-compact" which in my mind refers to the new hi-cap "stack and a half" guns like the P365, Hellcat, Shield+ etc

6+1 vs 10+1, 12+1, 15+1, 18+1....

If capacity is important to you, you're giving up a lot of firepower with the Walther.

 

PPS is a good gun but it's capacity is pretty dang low for it's size and weight when cross shopped against the latest competition.

It's not a "micro-compact" which in my mind refers to the new hi-cap "stack and a half" guns like the P365, Hellcat, Shield+ etc

6+1 vs 10+1, 12+1, 15+1, 18+1....

If capacity is important to you, you're giving up a lot of firepower with the Walther.

yeah, this is what I'm referring to. A really small 9mm with atleast 10+1 (PDP aesthetic would be great!)

 

"Micro Compacts" aren't really defined by their capacity - they're simply defined by size, being smaller than a "sub-compact." The Glock 43, for example, is generally considered a "micro," as is the Shield. Neither offer any more capacity than the PPS does.

But it is definitely true that the "micro compact" category has been greatly improved by recent innovations in magazine capacity. IMO, the P365 is still at the top of the heap. But I trust Walther could come up with something even better.

 

I don't want to split hairs here (although it's too late, I think we're already at that point, LOL)

but... I respectfully disagree.

I believe the micro compact moniker is defined by the 1.5 stack design and the improved capacity it brings to very compact pistols. I've always made a distinction between "sub-compact" double-stacks like the G26/P99c/P224 and the "compact-single stack" carry guns like the G43/PPS/Shield by their magazine design. I had also never referred to the single stack guns as "micro-compacts*".

I'll admit the language around these guns is all very mushy so I don't like to get too hung up on it, but I'll appeal to authority and cite some gun reviews to back up my viewpoint.

The word "micro" doesn't even appear in any of these reviews from prominent publications for the PPSm2 whereas the SIG P365 gets micro right in the review title from those same publications.

Gun Review: Walther PPS M2 9mm - The Truth About Guns

If you want to shoot down a helicopter with a handgun (void where prohibited by law), carry a Walther PPK. James Bond did it in “Spectre” — despite the fact that the timelessly stylish .380 is now built-in Fort Smith, Arkansas. Wait. Is it? Unlike the movie’s plot, the whole thing’s a bit of a...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Review: Walther PPS M2

Walther listened to its customers and updated its popular concealed-carry PPS handgun. The newer PPS M2 version is sure to satisfy armed citizens.

www.shootingillustrated.com

Walther PPS M2: Shootable Everyday Carry - Lucky Gunner Lounge

A thorough review of the Walther PPS M2 pistol. We include accuracy testing and a video detailing what this handgun offers.

www.luckygunner.com

Gun Review: SIG SAUER P365 Micro-Compact 9mm Pistol

Gun Review: SIG SAUER P365 Micro-Compact 9mm Pistol - The Truth About Guns

Our comprehensive review of the new Sig P365 9mm micro-compact with a focus on concealed carry.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Review: SIG Sauer P365 Micro Compact

Deemed a "Micro Compact" concealed-carry gun, the SIG Sauer P365 is deceptively capacious. See how it works in our review.

www.shootingillustrated.com

 

One of the guys ober on HK site seems to be hooked up and thought the Walther micro will be sooner rather than later i.e. before the HK debut. It sounds like it may be hinging on the CCW pistol solicitation of the German Special Forces, but who knows. I am hopeful it offers more than the current micros, and lets hope it is not just a PD380 with striker! The HK micro seems to offer alot with its modularity and optic readiness.

 

Hope springs eternal.

 

Why they didn’t thin the F series out, would have been a good start. I am kind of hoping for a SC and a MICRO!

 

Probably doesn't have to be nearly 1.5" thick, when several other brands, offer the same capacity at an inch wide. I carry my F-Series every day and just ordered holster # 5 for it....we'll see.

 

I read something that made sense to me in regards to this segment. The man was comparing various micro pistols and his rough criteria for consideration was.....
1. At least 10 round capacity
2. No more than 6 in. long
3. No more than 4 1/2 inches in height
4. No more than 1 in. thick.
I love my PPS M2, but with the 7 rd. mag (my favorite) it's too tall (4.9 in.) for the "micro" category. And barely qualifies with the six rounder. They say it shoots like a bigger gun. Well.....
It is!

 

I love my PPS M2, but with the 7 rd. mag (my favorite) it's too tall (4.9 in.) for the "micro" category. And barely qualifies with the six rounder.

I also prefer the 7 round magazine, but it makes it just barely too big for IDPA's BUG division. If I run it with 6 round mags, then it will barely fit the BUG dimensions, but then I'm at a disadvantage against other BUG shooters with their tiny pistols that can still get that pinky on the frame. It's a shame that it's a nice little gun, but too big for the IDPA category that it should naturally fit in.

 

I wish everybody would stop kind of whining. Most of millenia has managed to get by without having a micro compact anything. Let alone 18 shots worth. Now it seems no one is worthy of going into the OK Corral without a RPG.

 

Valid. But I think a big concern is that the pistol and shooting associations ban lower capacity pistols from competing. Whether people want to or care about having high capacity, the goal posts move without you. It makes sense to compete with the gun you carry instead of some 4lb monstrosity with a 2 oz trigger and a C More rifle dot on it

 

It is the #1 selling gun in America and across multiple running years....

 

I hope they really look at all the choices and come up with something great. Two things I would love to see. The first is a grip a tad bigger in girth to enhance shootability, and control. The P365 is too small and the little bit of girth added on their macro frame is just fat enough without being too fat. Secondly, is a trigger system for concealed carry. I think an AS system like that on my M3 is ideal, though that one specifically is a bit too heavy in compliance with European LEO standards for pull weight.

 

I had no idea Walther was thinking of another mini-9. I had the PPS and then PPS M2 but nowadays carry the Shield Plus when I want a mini. Shield Plus with the shortest mag barely fits in the IDPA box for Back Up Gun category, so I hope that Walther (and HK, if they ever actually release the SFP CC) think about that.

 

I think @Mattyd380 might have an interesting update for us....? 🤔

 

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Thanks for sharing the information. Very interesting for sure.

 

Interesting sleuthing.

Thanks for sharing.

You'd have to think registering the patents and trademarks was for a good reason.

 

PDK is definitely a better deduction than the ‘Ft. Smith Fingerlin’

I hope they do the central slide rail!

 

If the gun as shown in the schematic comes to fruition, it will certainly be mechanically unique.

I'm not aware of another centerfire pistol using a center rail like that.

The dual feedramp is pretty rare as well.

I'm assuming this is being done to maximize capacity for the size????

If this is what Walther is working on, it's definitely not a "me too" design.

 

If the gun as shown in the schematic comes to fruition, it will certainly be mechanically unique.

I'm not aware of another centerfire pistol using a center rail like that.

The dual feedramp is pretty rare as well.

I'm assuming this is being done to maximize capacity for the size????

If this is what Walther is working on, it's definitely not a "me too" design.

Yeah, it’s definitely not a “me too” based on this.

The dual feed ramp is the biggest mystery, in my mind. Yeah, I think dual-position feed would give you a few extra rounds. But they also have a patent/sketch on a new mag design… but it’s single feed. So, not sure how to reconcile those things.

 

And here we are just hoping they make a PPS with a few more rounds. Walthers pulling what Henry Ford did on the horse and buggy world on the compact pistol one. Burning all my p365s in the backyard right now

 

I just purchased a new PPK, so I'll be on the sidelines for a while, but I am watching this with great interest.

 

If Walther ever comes out with a micro 9 that holds a minimum of 10 rounds of ammo in the magazine I will be one of the first in line to buy one. I just bought a Ruger Max 9 because I love micro 9s and it can hold 12 rounds in the extended magazine. It also has an optic cut in the slide and I have a Readydot from Ruger for it. But would dump something in my gun case to buy a Walther micro 9.

 

Ruger's carry guns are a little bit underrated. I also like that they are forward-thinking w/that optic but it might have needed to cook a bit longer. For 100 bucks though, it's whatever. Let us know what you think.

 

If Walther does finally get on the micro nine high cap train, I hope the trigger is better than my M1 PPS. I've stopped using it and it just sits in the safe now. It's been replaced by a Masada S.
The M1 PPS's trigger is just too much like a staple gun, IMHO. If it had a trigger as good as my P99AS I'd still use it regardless of capacity.

 

I would think it would be.

The PPS M1 was arguably the first successful, really small, singlestack, polymer 9mm.

It was remarkable because it was the first and showed it could be done.

It's a cool gun and it was the first, but expectations have only increased since it's debut.

 

Sig P365 with plus two mag guts, and TFx tritium/ fiber optics sights out front and blacked out rear tritiums… I’m not sure how Walther even could try and top that. Make it a Micro P99, I guess?

 

Couple years ago I had a 365 XL I was carrying, and got my wife a PPS M2 as a gift. She did not like the PPS at all, hated the trigger safety. I gave her the 365 because she liked it and shoots one hole magazine groups with it. PPS sat in the safe, I decided to take it out and I was very impressed. Smooth gun, very accurate. I put Trijicon night sights on it and it became less fun but still very shootable. I think I'm going to put the original sights back on it and paint them with some strong Europium glow paint to get it back to how it was. The Trijicon sights are great, but something was lost when they were installed