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#1 ·
When is the last time that anyone has see on the selves at any ammo selling stores US manufacturers new 7.65 or .32 cal ammunition? I am not talking about the Foreign imports or self defense rounds.

When was the last time that you saw a new manufactured 7.65mm or .32 cal pistol offered for sale at a Gun store? You can't consider the Walther PPK, PPK/S for we know they have been discontinued.

There is becoming plenty of other calipers in both ammo and pistols in the stores. The prices are also dropping. I see PMC 380 is now $12,00 Bx/50. The 9mm parabellum fiocchi is $15.00. But I do not see any 7.65mm.

Something to think about?
 
#2 ·
I can only find PMC Bronze and American Eagle in FMJ and Hornady 60gr.H.P. I want to try Fiocchi FMJ,but I only want 2-3 bxs. to see how my PPK/S likes it.It does not pay for me to order on line this small amount.I have MagTech FMJ now and my pistol shoots very good with this.I do not know the reason for no ammo in 32acp,I wish I did as the German guns seem to bring a premium in any caliber.I think the discontinuance of PPK and PPK/S may have a bearing on lack of inventory.I also think the price of 32acp pistols will drop as the 380acp increases due to popularity and ammo availability.The 9m/m is getting smaller and some feel,the 32acp is not a defense round,so lack of interest equals lack of inventory.I hope I am wrong because I like the 32acp.
 
#4 ·
Unfortunately the slow discontinuation of weapons chambered in 7.65mm is a fact everywhere. It's not only a phenomenon of the Walther PP/PPK series. The SIG P230 was available in four calibres and its follower P232 at least in 7.65mm and 9mm kurz. Today the P232 is manufactured in 9mm kurz only.

The 7.65mm calibre had a long time of tradition in Europe but today many of these guns (or even the manufacturers themselves) are history: Arminius, Astra, Bernardelli, BrĂĽnner/CZ, Dreyse, ERMA, Frommer, FEG, FN, Galesi, Heckler & Koch, Mauser, Ortgies, Sauer & Sohn, SIG, Star, Unique, Walther, Webly & Scott.

So it's more easy to list the pistols in 7.65mm that are no longer made than those that appear on the market today. Often they are available as pocket pistols only like the model 3032 Tomcat by Beretta. At least they are still producing the model 81FS Cheetah in 7.65mm and maybe I'll buy such a pistol in the near future because I really love to shoot this calibre. In Switzerland there is no significant difference in price or availability between 7.65mm and 9mm kurz. Here they are both more expensive than 9mm Parabellum.
 
#5 ·
I considered myself lucky to find .32 auto at Widners (Privi Partisan). The ammo worked fine and was 100% reliable. If you check on AmmoSeek you can find Remington, Blazer, Magtech, Federal, and Hornady for sale. So it's only scarce in LGS. Online it is available. Even the elusive Winchester Silvertip is available if you don't mind paying nearly a buck a round (cost is $46 for a box of 50).
Certainly.32 auto has fallen into disfavor among US shooters. That's a shame, as in a small pocket pistol like a PPK it is very comfortable to shoot. And I don't see where it is any less effective than .380 auto. As far as I'm concerend, they are about equal in effectiveness. I consider both last ditch "boot gun calibers" to be used in emergency situations only. But that's just me. :)

I don't think you will have to worry much about ammo availability as there are probably MILLIONS of .32 auto pistols in use in Europe. Foreign ammo will always be available...as long as the government lets them import it and doesn't tax the snot out of it.

What is stranger to me is the lack of certain .38 Special loads. I know most police departments no longer use wheelguns. But there are a LOT of them still in existence among civilian owners. The only place I have seen Silvertip in .38 Special non+P is on Gunbroker. And they are actually quite reasonable there. Although I think it is "old stock". LGS have NO .38 Special of any type in my area.



 
#6 ·
I have stored, in old military ammo cans in a dry dark place, about 1000 rounds of factory 7.65mm. I have a few hundred or hand loads that I will be shooting. I think it may become, and I hope I am wrong, harder and harder to find the 7.65mm ammo.

In the US the 9mmk has been a little more popular than the 7.65mm since the late 50's. The 9mm parabellum since the US Military has adopted it in the 1980's. The 7.65mm has only become popular again with the Walther folks and since the discontinue of the PPK and PPK/S in this caliper.

Even if the US ammo manufacturers drop the 7.65mm ammo. We should still be able to purchase the foreign imported 7.65mm.
 
#7 ·
I don't see any .32 around either, but have to say I don't remember to look for it when I'm ammo shopping.

I don't shoot my .32 pistols much. I do need to find some silvertips for my Seecamp, I have a box or so, but it's getting pretty old. A buck a round makes it unlikely that I'll be picking it up even if I see it. I'd much rather buy it in 25 round boxes.
 
#8 · (Edited)
I'm like Brad. VERY rare for me to shoot .32 auto. I mean I REALLY like my PPK in that caliber. It is comfortable to shoot, even with my f-ed up hands. And it is quite accurate. But the ONLY reason I shot my PPK at all a couple of weeks ago was because I sent it in for the recall and wanted to make sure it wasn't screwed up. Thank goodness, S&W did an excellent job with it. :)
I have no problem if they stopped making it in the US. There are plenty of foreign makers producing it. Since hollowpoint in that caliber has minimal advantage over FMJ, that isn't a big worry. I would like to pick up a box of Silvertips, but only because they were 100% reliable when I last shot them in the PPK. I have some Gold Dot and Hydra Shok, but I doubt it will ever get used. Geez...1000 rounds of .32 auto ammo would last me two or three lifetimes :D
Actually, I think that the 9MM craze has pretty much faded away. The .40 S&W replaced it in a lot of law enforcement agencies. And the only other advantage was it was "really cheap" to shoot. Well it ain't that cheap to shoot any more. I remember when 115 grain FMJ S&B ammo was selling for $119 for a 1000. I checked on AmmoSeek, and unless you buy reloads, you won't get close to that price any more. And that same S&B ammo is selling for over triple that price ($380). So the price advantage has pretty much slipped away.
I guess people (including the government) had to re-learn that having a lot of ammo isn't an advantage unless the ammo is exactly as effective as the ammo it is replacing. :)



 
#9 ·
32 acp 7.65mm

It may have been a fluke, but I found a box of winchester white at a Walmart in Bossier City, La. last friday. I have not looked for any as I don't shoot mine very often. I wanted to make a comparison between my PPs. 32 acp is the only center fire round I shoot that I don't reload. That may change. If Dillion made 32 dies for my Square Deal B, I would buy a set. I haven't made up my mind to order a set for my RCBS, those single stage presses are slow after you use a progressive model for a while. If you keep looking you will be able to find some. Good luck and good shooting. Dave
 
#12 ·
The Walmart by me in CT doesn't have much of anything in handgun ammo. Last time
I was there, they had mostly rifle calibers with a few boxes of 40 cal handgun. To think, at one time Walmart was supposedly the biggest seller of guns & ammo is hard to believe. I guess the politically correct bunch has gotten to them as much
as any other chain.
 
#13 ·
My father's Kel-Tec P32 is chambered in 32 ACP and he regularly practices with it and stocks up on ammo at the LGS. It might be that the shop owner stocks it because dad picks it up often, but yeah. Still able to find it.

As for guns chambered in it, that might be another story completely.
 
#14 ·
My father's Kel-Tec P32 is chambered in 32 ACP and he regularly practices with it and stocks up on ammo at the LGS. It might be that the shop owner stocks it because dad picks it up often, but yeah. Still able to find it.

As for guns chambered in it, that might be another story completely.
They are definitely out there. Walther just doesn't make any of them any more.



 
#16 ·
I wish it were easier to feed an AR up my way. LGS and other shops have waiting lists and strict purchase limits for. 223 for the forseeable future. Few years ago, someone who was willing to wait could almost camp out and be the first one into the store and buy up every last round of it first thing in the morning. Damn hoarders. That or they would scalp it, and sell it at a profit to people that really wanted it. What a crime all of this is.
 
#17 ·
Lots of AR15 ammo available online and not all that pricey. In my Wallyworld there is a good supply of .40 S&W but no 9MM or .45ACP. They never have .25 or .32 auto. All of the stuff they have is FMJ.
I haven't seen ANY "scalpers" in my area. The ones online advertise it but they don't seem to sell much of it. I think scalping is more internet rumor-theory than reality. Even some of the Winchester Silvertip that IS in very short supply is selling online for the same price it was advertised at before the shortage.



 
#19 ·
I think the S&B and Fiocchi dries up the closer you get to I 75 Dave.
None on the shelves over here.

Wally World here has a fair supply of Federal Champion in the 40 and 45 ACP flavors now, and some .223 in addition to the Fudd rifle calibers they always have. And a couple boxes of WWB 380.

Still no 9mm or .22

As to scalpers, I see them at every Maumee gun show. Boxes of 9mm Federal Champion they nabbed from Wal Mart, marked up 100%, on their tables.