[Stoping Power]

im a Marketing Reasearch the best way to know what is the best gun is a quantitative study a poll
please vote

 

[2ndLtMiller]

I have a QA, but I originally ordered an AS they just sent the wrong model. I decided to try the QA and if I didn't like it I figured I could get another one in AS after all the more the better, right?

I now wish that I had insisted that they send it back and get an AS after I found out that the AS model won't be available anymore.

 

[BreakerDave]

Quote[/b] (Stoping Power @ Mar. 12 2005,11:31)]im a Marketing Reasearch  the best way to know what is the best gun is a quantitative study a poll
please vote

If you do Marketing Research, you should know that Quantity does not necessarily correlate to Quality.

The two models you are comparing were not produced in equivalent numbers.  As I understand it, until recently the QA's made up just a tenth of the Walther P99s that were produced.  With Walther curtailing the P99 AS, and switching to the QA only the balance in numbers will shift.  -It does not mean that the AS is the best up until the exact day and time the QA production numbers will exceed those of the AS model.

I have a QA because I prefer a consistent trigger pull and do not care for the DA/SA action.  -That's merely a personal preference.  It does not have anything to do with one model being better quality than the other model.

 

[Nocturnal]

Right on BD. I was going to write something a little less nice but thankfully I restrained myself.

There are lies, damn lies and then finally statistics.
If you torture statistics long enough, they'll confess to anything.

SP: if you wanted any sort of quality metric you would have two polls. One for the QA, one for the AS. For each you would offer the following choices:

- trouble free
- minor issues
- gun disabled once
- gun disabled more than once

If both get more than a 100 responses or so, perhaps then you can draw some conclusions about relative quality.

I'd ask for my money back on that Marketing Research class you took

 

[P88]

I've had both, now I only have QA models. Both have been reliable, but I just liked the QA trigger better.

 

[Stoping Power]

we can do a Focus gruop to

and yes i know about a qualitative studys but i can do a Focus gruops here

maybe a forum to discuss but is not the same thing

my clients do the two types of studys quanti and qualit

that is why i prefer the poll here in the board besides the poll i make is about a single answeer issue is not and open subject

is only as vs qa is a simple issue. (take a look to my poll question Do you have qa or as)

 

[Stoping Power]

Quote[/b] (Nocturnal @ Mar. 13 2005,1:44)]Right on BD. I was going to write something a little less nice but thankfully I restrained myself.

There are lies, damn lies and then finally statistics.
If you torture statistics long enough, they'll confess to anything.

SP: if you wanted any sort of quality metric you would have two polls. One for the QA, one for the AS. For each you would offer the following choices:

- trouble free
- minor issues
- gun disabled once
- gun disabled more than once

If both get more than a 100 responses or so, perhaps then you can draw some conclusions about relative quality.

I'd ask for my money back on that Marketing Research class you took

not really

i dont have to make a poll for each one of that topics in fact i can do a big poll in the internet for all this items or do a Focus groups a (cualitative study).

im not tryng to sale anything and i dont work for walther neither

i just want to know what is the best trigger and more acuratee

 

[Nocturnal]

Quote[/b] ]i just want to know what is the best trigger and more acuratee

Sure, that's fine. But you won't find that out with this poll. All you're determining is the percentage QA vs AS of people that respond. That says NOTHING about which trigger is 'best' and which gun is more accurate. That's why I didn't vote. If you'd like to know which type of trigger I have, it's in my sig.

 

[BreakerDave]

Quote[/b] (Stoping Power @ Mar. 14 2005,6:56)]my clients do the two types of studys quanti and qualit

I have no doubt clients of a Marketing Research firm would request both types of studies regarding various products.  The problem isn't that there are two types of studies, the problem is you are seeking to draw a correlation between quantity and quality that does not exist in this case.   If X is greater than Y, it does not necessarily mean that X is best.  It just means that there is more of X at this point in time.

Polling to find out how many QA's there are vs. how many AS's there are is not going to tell you which is the best trigger.  As has been mentioned, there was a big difference in production numbers between the two models.  Also as has been mentioned by Nocturnal, the only result you are going to learn are how many people who have responded to your poll have either the QA or AS.

As you said:

Quote[/b] (Stoping Power @ Mar. 14 2005,7:03)]i just want to know what is the best trigger and more acuratee

I can't tell if you are merely new to firearms or if there is an actual language barrier problem here...  It seems that you do not understand that aside from the trigger / action difference, the QA and AS guns are virtually identical.    Neither model is more accurate.

Asking "best" in regards to firearms is like asking someone what the best food is.  The criteria for everyone is different.  With food, someone could respond using taste as the criteria while someone else responds based on nutritional value and a third responds on the basis of price.  

Firearms are no different.  Some here will choose one caliber over another because of 1) Ammo cost  2) Perceived Recoil / Comfort or 3) Stopping Power.  Taking a poll based on raw quantity and expecting to find out which caliber is the best, won't tell you anything other than the raw totals.

The forum has a search function.  The differences as well as the pros and cons of each model has been discussed extensively.  I highly recommend that you read over the various posts on the subject and come to your own conclusion regarding whether the QA or AS is right for you.  That will provide far more information than a poll which will only tell you X number of people own the QA and Y number own the AS.

 

[Carlos Caliente]

I'd be hard pressed to find a better shooting pistol.  I have the AS model, and if the the QA is better, than I would still only be coring out the bullseye in any target.  Bottom line is "shoot what you carry, and carry what you shoot".

BTW, UMC 9mm FMJ is $4.88 at Bass Pro starting Thursday.

Carlos

 

[Sir Riktoven]

DA/SA

mmmm....trigger rest so short

 

[Stoping Power]

this a single question in fact is like a popularity question

the bottom line is that the poll helps me to decide really

i know the results in the poll do not go to be so detailed by the type of question that I did but helps me to know the quantity of AS and QA out there.

Maybe im wrong or just the QA is a new trigger but there are more AS in the market. (NOT JUST FOR THE POLL I MAKE HERE)

i guess quick action is new 2 years right and is logical that it would be more AS.

dont atack me is just a poll

 

[BreakerDave]

Quote[/b] (Stoping Power @ Mar. 15 2005,11:45)]dont atack me is just a poll

No one is attacking you.  You are free to use any method you want to choose what gun to get.  If you want to flip a coin to make your decision that's fine.

The only reason people have commented on your "Market Research" is that your approach is going to yield an answer that will only reflect two things, production numbers and who responds to your poll.  -Those factors would be considered sources of error in explaining a skewed result.  

Again, if you were to flip a coin to make the decision you would get an answer that would be about as meaningful as your poll results in determining what is right for you.  

Maybe you'll get lucky and things will work out alright for you.  

 

[Stoping Power]

im go with the AS

 

[WaltherP99]

Well, I got the AS or the original P99 with DASA, and it's been fine. I'd like to try the QA but havent' had a chance to. Most of my guns are DASA so the trigger change does not bother me.