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I've got a guy who wants to work this out on a trade, he's claiming this is an "army proofed" Walther PP with an estimated value of (at or around) $1,000.

From what I'm reading from you all is, that final inspection stamp makes a lot of difference in terms of value and should be on the left side of the frame near the trigger guard?

I've scoured the forums and I am lead to believe it's missing the final "proof" from the factory to be considered "proofed and in service" but wanted an expert's opinion to verify.

Frame/Slide serial number matching 386018p (ac stamped below on slide)
Eagles are stamped on frame above trigger, slide cover, and end of barrel.
NO markings on the left side. No stamp, no inscriptions.
Mags have zero markings, no letters, numbers etc. Came with 2 and this holster pictured.

Am I right to believe that this was probably sitting in the factory on the assembly line, possibly ready to get the final inspection stamp, and just never got it from 'ze germans? Probably picked up by a GI and brought home?

If it's somehow a unicorn and worth what he says, what say you all on condition? It needs a good cleaning, but I noticed the finish on the slide and frame aren't matching (probably normal), the barrel is a little sour, and possibly a bit of rust at the firing pin?

Thanks in advance for your help!
-Rob

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Note - After studying it a little more, I did find a very small and faint "8" stamped in the well behind the hammer. Probably noting the last # is the serial number? Wasn't sure on that marking. Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere before.
 

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Rob,
What do you mean by "final proof"?. This PP has got the final proof stamps "Eagle/N", but no "Waffenamt" acceptance stamps, as it was not (yet?) issued to the army.
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That’s what I meant. Sorry wasn’t sure of what that stamp was called. New to the world of walthers and these German/nazi symbols. I had kid of figured it was never issued but maybe thought the “waffenamt” was a final proof/test fire stamp. Now I know.
 

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The nitro proof was on all PPs commercial and Military unless removed from the factory at the end of the war before proofing.
The Waffenamt was an additional mark only on those pistols going to the Army.
 

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Oh ok. So basically the only thing that tells us this was produced under the nazi occupation is the ac (understand this was to throw off the allies of where it was mfg?) and the serial number that (I think) dates it to mid 1945?

Thanks for the education! I enjoy learning the history of the guns I own. Just recently started working with a guy who is an avid WW2 collector so I’ve had my hands full learning all of these guns nuances.

Gotta find some Enfield help next!
 

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However, it was only used on the PP in 1945? while it was used on the P38 throughout the war years.
 

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However, it was only used on the PP in 1945? while it was used on the P38 throughout the war years.
The P.38 and other guns made by Walther during the war were produced as military guns for the Wehrmacht and bore military code stampings instead of commercial slide legends. The PP/PPK series was not. While the bulk ended up in military holsters, they were also sold to police, party, other organizations, customers in friendly foreign countries, and sold to civilians in limited quantities. So these retained their full pre-war commercial slide stampings until close to the end. And if it says Waffenfabrik Walther on the pistol, you don’t need the Walther code ;)
 
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