Why I put up my PPQ and

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Barbarian

Discussion Starter · Dec 3, 2018

when it will come out again. The light trigger gave me the heebie jeebies making me nervous even thought I really loved the pistol. Now I have to say that even the bare trigger on the Glock made me nervous; and I always snapped a Zach holster over the trigger guard when it was out of the holster. To those who are comfortable carrying the PPQ I salute you.
I have read many scary articles written by Massad Ayoob about triggers and understand he uses scare tactics when it comes to light triggers. Lot of balderdash about light triggers. Ask yourself - if you shoot the wrong guy do you really think the judge will let you off the hook because you have a ten pound trigger. I don't think so.
So my nervousness about the light trigger is just me. So I switched to the HK P 2000, da sa, semi with a trigger job by lazy wolf guns for an edc. Slick and smooth da and a light sa ( 4lb).
If the ten round ban ever comes back ( heaven forbid but the jungle drums are being beaten) then I will take my PPQ out of the safe and I will again carry it. Why - because with only ten rounds I want the best edge that the pistol will give me and that trigger is sweet. When I used the PPQ it was one pistol that I shot very well.
Your thoughts?

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imaoldfart

· #2 · Dec 3, 2018

I think it was John C. Holmes that said "I don't sweat the petty stuff, I just pet the sweat stuff". I don't think the PPQ trigger is all that light, AND it has a pretty long pull too. Now, I can replace springs and get the trigger break down to 2.5 lbs. ... and I REALLY like that. But the stock 4.5 lb. pull IMO just isn't what I call light.

You coulda gone with a P99....DA pull is around 8 lbs and SA pull is around 4.5 lbs. nicccceeeee.

I carry my Q's almost exclusively.....as I type this, I've got my PPQ 45 strapped on, as I just got back from walking the dogs (after dark).....yep, it's got a tac light too.

It's ALL good.....go with whatever floats your boat.

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OmegaJB

· #3 · Dec 3, 2018

The PPQ is one of the best striker fire guns on the market, it's a shame you don't feel comfortable carrying it.
I would suggest more training, specifically a fighting pistol class that pushes your physical and mental limits to feel comfortable with the PPQ.

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Low_Speed

· #4 · Dec 3, 2018

I carry a P320c now but have no problem going back to PPQ.

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DeutschlandUberAlles

· #5 · Dec 3, 2018

imaoldfart said:
I think it was John C. Holmes that said "I don't sweat the petty stuff, I just pet the sweat stuff". I don't think the PPQ trigger is all that light, AND it has a pretty long pull too. Now, I can replace springs and get the trigger break down to 2.5 lbs. ... and I REALLY like that. But the stock 4.5 lb. pull IMO just isn't what I call light.

You coulda gone with a P99....DA pull is around 8 lbs and SA pull is around 4.5 lbs. nicccceeeee.

I carry my Q's almost exclusively.....as I type this, I've got my PPQ 45 strapped on, as I just got back from walking the dogs (after dark).....yep, it's got a tac light too.

It's ALL good.....go with whatever floats your boat.

Just took my dog around the neighborhood on the evening walk, on my hip? PPQ 45.

Must be a Texas thing.

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muckaleewarrior71

· #6 · Dec 3, 2018

That's why they make other guns. Carry the one you want to. I have a PPQ but keep it as a backup HD bedside safe gun. I would carry it if I had to or just wanted to. I just choose another option.

WaterDR

· #7 · Dec 3, 2018

In my humble opinion, carry guns with hammers that are SA/DA are the best for obvious reasons. Add a decocker and it’s even better for carry.

But there is another great benefit.

When you holster the weapon, you put your thumb on the trigger and apply pressure. If you should snag the trigger when holstering, you will feel the trigger push back.

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imaoldfart

· #8 · Dec 3, 2018

Let's see if I can fix that for ya.....I changed 'trigger' to 'hammer' and colored it red.

Yep, good technique with a hammer gun.

WaterDR said:
But there is another great benefit.

When you holster the weapon, you put your thumb on the hammer and apply pressure. If you should snag the trigger when holstering, you will feel the hammer push back.

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Scouts10

· #9 · Dec 3, 2018

There is now an after market part / end plate for some glocks that is
a spring loaded rocker. When putting it back in holster, push down on
rocker it notifies you of trigger movement.

yeah . . . thats for a glock

olsoul

· #10 · Dec 3, 2018

I've been carrying a PPQ since 2011.It is a fine weapon and one shouldn't be nervous about carrying it. The trigger really isn't that light.

If after training and practice you are still nervous carrying a Q, get a revolver, a single action revolver...

Seriously if you really aren't comfortable with the trigger give serious thought to why you aren't comfortable...something just might be amiss in your technique

Reloader550

· #11 · Dec 4, 2018

I find it amazing how people talk about the light trigger on the PPQ as being too light for carry. But a high end 1911 maker will make a gun with a trigger pull down to 3.5 pounds, and that's ok, because its a 1911. The BEST SAFTEY is BETWEEN YOUR EARS.

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Balor

· #12 · Dec 4, 2018

Reloader550 said:
The BEST SAFTEY is BETWEEN YOUR EARS.

........but the amount (and quality) of grey matter between the ears seems to vary considerably from person to person. Some even forget to take it with them when they leave the house.

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23738

· #13 · Dec 4, 2018

Reloader550 said:
I find it amazing how people talk about the light trigger on the PPQ as being too light for carry. But a high end 1911 maker will make a gun with a trigger pull down to 3.5 pounds, and that's ok, because its a 1911. The BEST SAFTEY is BETWEEN YOUR EARS.

But then you'll have people saying the 1911 has a hammer and a safety and, and...

It really boils down to having some sense, a good holster, and not being a jackass with a gun. (which kinda goes with the "some sense" bit)..

I came close to being shot when I was 13 or 14. Kid dropped a loaded .30-30 with the hammer down. For those that aren't aware, the Model 94 .30-30 has a "half cocked" position whereby the hammer won't fall if the trigger is squeezed, or the gun is dropped as this one was.

Had I been 6 inches or so to my left, that bullet would have went through my guts or even my..umm...yeah.

All the safety features in the world are worthless weight when the user doesn't have a drop of sense. If you climb over a tailgate to show someone a deer, leave the damned gun out of your hands. If you carry a SAO pistol without a safety (I do), use a good holster and both eyes and hands when you put that gun into that holster.

We put men on the moon, and 2 miles underwater. Carrying a gun ought to be as simple as putting on socks.

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Wolfierules907

· #14 · Dec 4, 2018

Agree with original poster, PPQ is just not carry gun for me, P30SK or VP9Sk is what I carry. 45C if going somewhere really bad, which I try to avoid.

Each to their own, I guess.

shawn

· #15 · Dec 5, 2018

As Clint, in character as Dirty Harry said, "a man's got to know his limitations."

If a long DA pull with hammer suits you and your comfort level best, then that is what you should carry.

Some are ok with a 1911 in Condition One. Some are not.

Some are ok with a Glock, which is partially pre-cocked, with no thumb safety, but only the firing pin safety and the inertia fire safety in the trigger.

Some are ok with the XD, the M&P, the PPQ and others that are striker fired, like the Glock, but which are fully cocked, having only the firing pin safety and the inertia fire safety in the trigger.

Some are ok with the P320, which is fully cocked, having only the firing pin safety, but no inertia fire safety in the trigger, which, as we have seen, is not drop safe, at least before the recall - sorry "voluntary upgrade." I see no reason why the P320 will not fire now if dropped from a greater distance, but it seems no one is willing to test that theory post upgrade.

So, carry what you like.

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Jimmo952

· #16 · Dec 6, 2018

shawn said:
As Clint, in character as Dirty Harry said, "a man's got to know his limitations."

If a long DA pull with hammer suits you and your comfort level best, then that is what you should carry.

Some are ok with a 1911 in Condition One. Some are not.

Some are ok with a Glock, which is partially pre-cocked, with no thumb safety, but only the firing pin safety and the inertia fire safety in the trigger.

Some are ok with the XD, the M&P, the PPQ and others that are striker fired, like the Glock, but which are fully cocked, having only the firing pin safety and the inertia fire safety in the trigger.

Some are ok with the P320, which is fully cocked, having only the firing pin safety, but no inertia fire safety in the trigger, which, as we have seen, is not drop safe, at least before the recall - sorry "voluntary upgrade." I see no reason why the P320 will not fire now if dropped from a greater distance, but it seems no one is willing to test that theory post upgrade.

So, carry what you like.

Very well said.

I thought of that Client Eastwood line myself when reading through this thread. I think that pretty much sums it up.

theburg2014

· #17 · Dec 6, 2018

I love the trigger on my PPQ Q5 Match. Out of the box it's trigger is outstanding. It's as good as my CZ P-10c. My PPQ is what's attached to my bed. It has a DeltaPointPro & a Streamlight TLR-1 HL on her. I feel very safe with the combo.

half

· #18 · Dec 6, 2018

I usually carry a single stack PPS but will carry the PPQ when I want a double stack. Either way, the gun is in the holster when I put it on in the morning and in the holster when I take it off. The only time it comes out is if I am practicing draws, cleaning or shooting. In all three cases, the first thing that happens is unloading. The range does not want a magazine in the pistol until you are in the lane.

If I ever have to draw in self defense, I will only draw if my intent is to shoot. I may change my mind if I can perceive the threat is no longer there but will only draw if I perceive an immanent threat.

With all that being said, I prefer a really nice trigger like the PPQ because I am more accurate with either a PPQ or a 1911. In my weak mind, I think it is safer for all the good guys if I carry what I shoot best. I just wish the PPS had as good of a trigger as the PPQ.

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DavidS

· #19 · Dec 6, 2018

And another option is the P99 or P99c. Either fully cocked or de-cocked, your choice

Edgeman

· #20 · Dec 6, 2018

shawn said:
Some are ok with the XD, the M&P, the PPQ and others that are striker fired, like the Glock, but which are fully cocked, having only the firing pin safety and the inertia fire safety in the trigger.

Point of parliamentary procedure (lol), the XD-E is a hammer-fired pistol with a decocker that also functions as a manual thumb safety. Push the safety lever down and you decock the pistol. Flip it up and it functions as any other thumb safety. You have multiple choices how you want to carry it: SA with safety on (like 1911s), SA with safety off (like most current striker-fired pistols), DA with the safety off (like Sig P-series & the P99), or DA with the safety on (drawling a blank here...lol).

Would love to see Walther bring a similar product to market!

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