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I like both generations of PPS, but prefer the generation 1.

Subjective: I prefer the paddle release, I prefer the P99 inspired design/appearance, and I prefer the cleaner slide without forward serrations.

Objective: The gen 1 has never had reports of peening, and it's never had a recall. The gen 2 has had reports of peening and went thru a recall. Both minor strikes against.

The rail is irrelevant on a subcompact carry.

The only advantage of the gen 2 in my opinion is the deletion of the backstrap disabling feature. I put rubber grips on mine, and have considered super glue to prevent removal.
 

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Want a Chevy? You will LOVE the Shield. Want a BMW? Buy the M1, the M2 is a VW Jetta, for the masses.


In close in incursion anti-terrorist settings, the PPS M1 would be the professional's pick.


It isn't even a discussion. Followed closely by P6.
 

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S&W was the company that started the whole affordable quality thin compact single stack poly frame pistol and they have been very successful at it.

The Shield also has some advantages over PPS:

Usually lower price and was much lower for a long time.
Much more advertising and for longer time.
Lower weight.
One round more capacity for the same size magazine.
Much larger availability of holsters, at least earlier.
Came from a much much larger line of poly M&P pistols.
More varieties of Shield including models with safety.
S&W is almost a household name among Americans versus Walther.

Not surprising to me about S&Ws runaway success with the Shield.
 
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On the P365

Xoperator: what's your estimate of the Sig P365?

I own a Q5, PPS M1-40, p99CAS, S&W 36, two Picos (the Beretta vehicle security accessory) a SA 911, and a P365 among others. As a concealable high capacity 9mm, for civilian CCW, I believe it's best in class. Likely a decent backup, and after doing it in the '80s, a lot smaller than a Beretta 84b as a back up. Probably great on an ankle. I have ~2500 rounds through it, a complete dogs breakfast of '60s-current lousy crap ammo, NOT one FTF or FTE. Exceptionally reliable.



On incursions into populated crowds with a single handgun to seek a hostage taker? Single stack magazine, please. Of current production?.... P225, PPS....


BTW: I prefer the S&W marked PPS M1 (either caliber to the Ulm one).... SS slide, I live in FL.
 

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I have a BE date stamp PPS M1.
I bought it before the price MSRP drop by Walther.
There were many more shields at the LGS compared to the PPS.
I thought many gun buyers were price driven and more comfortable with the S&W brand and may not have had a pps at the gun counter to compare too.
 

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I have a BE date stamp PPS M1.
I bought it before the price MSRP drop by Walther.
There were many more shields at the LGS compared to the PPS.
I thought many gun buyers were price driven and more comfortable with the S&W brand and may not have had a pps at the gun counter to compare too.

Mine is a BA (.40) with an AE prefix. I bought it at the FGE in the first lot they received ... Had Bullard make me a holster, a tuckable IWB with a J Hook, Fantastic...
 

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You mean when they came out with the Shield 7 years after the PPS?
Yep. Walther was marketing the PPS as a higher end pistol with the $700 price tag and it did not sell well at all. Smith and Wesson came out with the Shield at a much better price point (hence my description of affordable) with major advertising support and it sold like crazy.
 
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When I chose the Shield over a PPS I could get a Shield with real night sights - which I have had on most of my carry pistols for many years - but could not get 'em on a PPS. In addition, S&W had a terrific rebate deal going at the time, which increased the Shield's price advantage even more than usual. And - IIRC - at the time the Shield magazines held 1 more round than comparable PPS mags. That may not be true today, but I think it was a few years ago.

When Walther came up with a similar rebate I got a PPS as well. I enjoy shooting both of 'em about the same. But now that IDPA has a class for these little guns I use the Shield in matches. Largely because that's what I carry. However, even if I could get comparably sized PPS mags I would compete with the Shield because their magazines are cheaper - I just wouldn't want to be dropping those gorgeous Mec Gars in the rocks during mag changes.

BTW, after I got the PPS I had occasion to talk to Walther CS about the unavailability of night sights. The guy I talked to said they couldn't justify the costs they would have to incur to meet the nuclear regulatory standards to store the quantity of night sights they would have to keep on hand for factory installation. Don't know if that was actually true, and if so, whether it's changed since then.
 

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PPS M1 over shield

7 years ago, and after several months doing research, I narrowed my first CCW pistol to the Shield or the PPS. My LGS brought the PPS before the Shield, and thus, the PPS M1 was my first CCW which I carry along my P99ASC, my CCP my P5 Compact and my PPK.

It is such a slim pistol that can be carried OWB without no fuss. However, at that time Walther was not then keen on much advertising of the PPS, and the PPS has been in my opinion, Walther's best but unknown CCW.

At the time, the mag release was similar to my HK P30 Lem which sat on my night stand, and voilá, there was something in common with these two pistols.

My buddy shots a Shield, and somehow the PPS seems to be a better shooter.:D
 

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I bought my PPS M2 just two weeks ago. In deciding what single stack 9 mm to buy I considered manufacturer reputation, warranty, size, capacity and weight. The two guns were equal in every respect except weight with the PPS slightly heavier. I rented both at mt LGS’ Range, and found the two equal in accuracy. But, the PPS had less recoil due to its increased weight. I also saw that the slide rails on the PPS were heavier and longer. I MUCH preferred the ergonomics of the PPS, and that is important to me. So I was leaning to the Walther.

Then I watched YouTube comparative reviews of the two guns. I discriminate among reviews by considering the reviewers’ skills and knowledge. It is not too hard to weed out the bad and find the very good. Out of nine comparative reviews the PPS M2 won out as preferable. The other one was a tie. The wins were based on feet recoil (weight) and ergonomics.

I did not consider aftermarket accessories. I think if you do not like a trigger do not buy the gun. I do not buy guns to rebuild them. As for holsters I found dozens of Kydex and leather holsters for the PPS M2. I bought both IWB and OWB once I purchased the gun. Now two weeks later with 150 rounds through the gun I have to say I like it better than any gun I have owned. It is a damn good gun, and that is what I care about.

I also recently compared the PPS M2 to the Shield 2.0 simply because I was in the mood for another single stack 9mm, not that I actually need another one.


I had previously bought a Shield within the first year or two of it's introduction because I liked its feel and size. However, it turned out to be the most inaccurate handgun I've ever owned. It shot patterns rather than groups no matter the bullet maker, weight, power level or shooter holding the gun. Likely S&W would have fixed it had I sent it back but I was disgusted and got rid of it.


I have a Smith 2.0 Compact 4" 9mm that I really like so I tried the new Shield 2.0 compared to the PPS LE version with luminous sights and three magazines. The Shield felt good and the PPS felt noticeably better. My wife handled both and stated her preference for the PPS even before I did. I preferred the luminous sights on the PPS due to my aging eyes and the fact that I shoot mostly during the day. Those sights simply pop out and are good and big.


Both are certainly good guns but I prefer the PPS M2. I bought it at Bud's for $298 cash. I've had it at the range a couple of times and have been handling and dry firing it a lot, as I do with any new handgun. Accuracy wise it is excellent and I'm pleased with this new gun.


One of the things I never concern myself with is aftermarket accessories available for any handgun I'm considering. If it needs more than a holster or possibly sights I simply look at a different gun. Holsters are available for my PPS M2 and it certainly doesn't need sights. I'm good to go with it.
 

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I shot my Shield better than I do my PPS M2. Maybe because I had it longer before I let it go due to malfunctions after 4 years of 100% reliability. S&W was great with CS and even replaced my barrel but I sold it anyway. If I needed another single stack 9mm I would consider the Shield M2.0 because I love my 40 compact. I would also strongly consider another PPS M2 but the one that comes with true night sights. Prices for all are great right now. It's definitely a buyer's market.
 

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I've always thought S&W took a good look at the PPS and developed the Shield around it, while addressing some of the complaints (whether well-founded or not) some "gun shop experts" were making about the PPS. It sort of reminds me of how Ruger took the P22 and made the SR22 with a few 'improvements'. Years later, and Walther now has a QD model. Here are the key points I think about the PPS's lack of catching on in the mainstream, at least not to the same level as the Shield.

1) No option for a manual safety. This is very important to some people, especially relatively new gun buyers. Does it exclude the pistol from some of the non-free states? In either case, a lot of buyers want a safety on a carry gun.
2) QuickSafe. The removable backstrap is a favorite gripe of gun counter and YouTube experts who are quick to warn that it's dangerous to have a feature that could render your gun useless. Even though they concede inevitably that they aren't aware of any issues with it, the damage was done. Why do you think the M2 deleted that feature?
3) Magazine release. I personally love the paddle releases. But a lot of people didn't, and Walther didn't do a great job of getting out there and showing US buyers why it is an advantage. Also why the M2 deleted that feature.
4) Price. When my friend and I purchased PPS's they available between $500 and $600. The Shield came in with a lower MSRP and an even lower LGS price.

At the end of the day I think price is the biggest factor in this comparison. Most people that buy these guns aren't the enthusiasts that many of us are. They might shoot once or twice a year, if that. The pistols end up in a nightstand, a lockbox, a purse or a carry holster, a glovebox. The average person doesn't see the need to spend a premium. I realize that PPS prices have fallen dramatically, but they didn't fall immediately when the Shield was introduced--gun shops still had $550-$600 PPS's sitting next to much less expensive Shields, which also boasted a "Lifetime service policy" vs. the 1 year Walther warranty at the time. And I understand that the LGS's not wanting to cut prices to below what they probably paid the distributor for the gun. But to Walther, it was damaging to their market share in a market they sort of helped create--Slim, compact 9mm pistols. This is where Walther marketing could have done something like offer a significant rebate. Of course, the confusion that the PPS was really "made by S&W" probably didn't help.

I shoot my PPS a little better than the Shield, and I like the sights better. Although the Shield I purchased had to be sent back to the factory right out of the box (it literally fell apart upon disassembly when I got it home). Even still, it ended up being a good gun, and I think a good value. The PPS had (recently) a cracked striker sleeve, so it's not without faults either. I still like the PPS better, but I did pay almost $200 more for it.
 

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Somehow I have the impression that American gun buyers generally prefer to buy American guns, as they have a better marketing in the US and lower price tags.
American military and police however...?
Austria, Italy, Germany!
Because they don't care about gunstore owners' opinions and instead test the hell out of the products.
OK, I may be influenced by my German technology pride... 😉🇩🇪
 

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Somehow I have the impression that American gun buyers generally prefer to buy American guns, as they have a better marketing in the US and lower price tags.
American military and police however...?
Austria, Italy, Germany!
Because they don't care about gunstore owners' opinions and instead test the hell out of the products.
OK, I may be influenced by my German technology pride... 😉🇩🇪

I certainly like my handguns made by Walther (5), Glock (5), Beretta (3) and H&K (2). But I also like my American handguns designed and made by Smith & Wesson, Kahr, Sig, Kimber, Ruger and others. And not once have I been influenced by a gun store owner any more than I'm influence by the staff of a bicycle shop when I'm choosing a new bike. Not once.

I'm not an expert in the matter, but have read a lot about handgun choices of American military and law enforcement departments going back 30 years when the military chose the Beretta over the Sig as a replacement for the fine old Model 1911 warhorse.

In general the handguns bought by the American military and law enforcement agencies were/are often selected with PRICE being the deciding factor in choosing between final candidates. Glock especially is well known for super sweetheart deals given to LEO agencies. It's been a big factor in building their reputation in the U.S. since many (too many) gun buyers are influenced by what LEO agencies or the military use. Part of that is kind of understandable since many gun buyers aren't very knowledgeable about handguns in general. If GI Joe or Officer Tom uses the model gun it must be good. And some of it is simply monkey-see monkey-do behavior.

The European handgun makers often have only themselves to blame for the American gun owner (maybe with the exception of Glock) not flocking to them in droves. They have often priced their products too high and failed to provide features that American shooters much prefer. An example of the too high pricing is that the first VP9 I bought was over $700 for the very best price I could find anywhere at the time. Good gun, but not worth the money over a lower priced American direct competitor.

An example of the failure to provide features American shooters prefer is that both H&K and Walther refused for a long time to provide a button magazine release instead of the paddle release. They wanted the gun buyer's dollars but on their own terms. After Walther brought out the button release PPQ a few years ago to American shooters it has been reported that their button release model outsells the paddle release version by a factor of 10 to 1. Walther's redesigned and button release PPS M2 model came out as well accompanied by a price drop. I just recently bought one of those.

H&K on the other hand only came out with a button release option on their VP series in the last few months. Rightly or wrongly many American shooters saw this resistance to provide an important operating feature that most American shooters want as an example of German gun makers arrogance. Currently H&K has dropped the price of the VP series in order to compete. And I understand they are in serious financial trouble as well.

You may not be familiar with the saying attributed by some American shooters to H&K's attitude toward American shooters as "Because you suck. And we hate you". Other and better qualified American shooters could provide a lot of information on the failure of H&K to provide other arms that American shooters would like and would likely buy if they were available. German government policies and restrictions have been no help to their own gun making industry either.

Overall, you should not put too much faith in the testing and choices of the American military or police when selecting handguns. That "test the hell out of the products" really isn't all that it sounds like.

Personal opinion.
 

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Wow, that's quite a lot of interesting info for me to think about, thanks for that.
I'm new to the forum, and my view is neither unbiased nor totally fact-based.
The mag release is a good example, it was for sure a bad choice to ignore the needs of the world's biggest pistol market.
Arrogance is also a point, just like saying "we know better anyway, get used to it" didn't improve the reputation.

Btw: personally, I like the paddle on my P99 much better, but still love my .45 6" 1911 more than any other gun I've held in my hands.
 

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Hi, mister.wolf

I am also a fan of the paddle magazine release even though I had not owned a pistol with that style release until I was in my 60s.

I have a paddle release PPQ, P99 compact and two H&K handguns with their own version of paddle release. I like the Walther style long thin paddles slightly better than the short fat releases of the H&K, but they are all a bit faster for me than a button release. Paddles can be hit with either the thumb or trigger finger. However, most American shooter are unwilling to give the paddles a fair chance. On this Walther forum you will find a lot of fans of the paddle release.

Yes, the 1911 is timeless and cool like a Luger. Not as easy to carry all day long as a Walther although I used to carry a Commander length Kimber in .45 ACP when I was a bit younger. Now my carry guns are polymer framed striker fired handguns which are better for long hours on the belt, or even short hours as far as that goes.

Glad you are here. I am not an everyday visitor to this forum, tending to hit it for several days in a row and then going away for awhile. There are some very knowledgeable members on this forum and I've learned a lot about Walthers in my time here.

May you shoot your guns in good heath.
 

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I like the PPS M1 9mm. It's a primary or secondary carry in my rotation.

The PPS M2 is so-so. I like somethings, and dislike others. I prefer the M1.

I recently got a really good deal on a Shield 9mm package. I can see how the M2 is an attempt to style like the Shield. I never gravitated to the SW lineup mainly for ergonomics and the hinged trigger. But I dug one MP out of the safe and really liked it. Like I said, I picked up a great deal on a Shield, and holding it, fussing with it, etc. I can say that it feels excellent and superior to the PPS M2. Priced better too, and I think a slight edge in capacity/size.
 
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