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I used to have many of them before I decided to sell em all and collect early Colt Brownings m1903’s m1908’s etc.
So now I want a PPK again in .32
Which years/model, manufacturer/factory, would you search to find a hi quality version to avoid collector numbers and other highest prices to have an edc pistol. By hi-quality I mean excellent condition, decent finish with carry wear, good bore.
Or, is the market such, that I should just search for my right price and grade from the entire history and be happy when I find the right deal!
 

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It's increasingly difficult to find .32 PPK pistols under $1000 dollars. That said it's easier to find a pre-war commercial PPK than it is to find a Smith & Wesson (SW) or Ranger PPK in .32 acp. Ironically, you can find pre-war commerical PPK pistols for less than what you might pay for a new in the box SW or Ranger PPK in .32 acp. That said, all three are good pistols. Manuhrin and Ulm PPK pistols in .32 acp are excellent, but they are much more expensive.
 

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Thanks!
I remember when no one would be caught owning a Manuhrin made Walther anything! Fortunately, my Colt/Brownings appreciated just as much as the PPK’s possibly even more!
 

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Sorry if not clear enough, I did not say inexpensive, thats not possible, especially now, I said best models to look at without crazy collector value. Just a good functioning edc pistol. As a retired dealer I haver many pistols worth many thousands and one will pay or trade for whatever I find. Perhaps it’s just a ridiculous question, whatever I find and buy will be a good deal or i’ll pass.
 

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SW and Ranger/IA are both very nice in .32 acp. Both were only made in stainless steel. If you want a blue PPK in .32 acp, then a pre-war (<1939) or late war (1943-1944) commerical PPK is also a good choice in regard to price. All that said, refinished Zella Mehlis pistols can be had at very low prices as the feeling is that a refinished pistol has no collectors value. I got one recently for $395 dollars that was functionally excellent and still very accurate with a slightly frosted bore.

The high end PPK pistols are: Any military or police marked PPK and the Ulm and Manuhrin pistols.
 

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Thanks for the good info! Sounds like a good deal on a good cond. refinished ppk! by the way, i always preferred the .32 as the 380 was just too hot for me personally in the little ppk. one reason i went to the Colt m1908 was because i can keep a can bouncing until emptying the mag due to its extra size/mass. I can only do that with a ppk in .32!
 

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Strictly off the top of my head!
A number of things political and perceived at the time led to this.
Non german especially French production was thought to be worthless in value, especially to collectors and here’s some why’s.
The famous French collapse before the Nazi army as a result of their divisive well known 1930’s socialist governments and even more socialist labor union production caused the entire French rearmament scheme to flounder with terrible quality and quantity from a major WW1 player. That didn’t help the national valuation of fighting tools!
Belgium’s otoh were perceived as good fighters overwhelmed by Germany and solid workers. If they had made PPK’s in Herstal, the value and reputation would be high. It took awhile for France’s poor WW2 rep to wear off plus the stink of the Vichy government. Due to Roosevelts dislike of DeGaulle and resulting fallout through the 50’s, 60’s, Americans were not particularly enamored of France for anything but the Eiffel Tower, wine, pretty girls and smelly cheese! Finally, even before all this, during WW1 the American expeditionary force was handed a lot of crap or mediocre French made weapons, especially machine guns while well made Browning designed products were either in the pipeline or going somewhere else!
It was widely reported how our Marines in particular would toss the junk they were handed. I think it was the Chatellerault lmg that particularly stunk! The French WW1 airplanes were not as bad as their machine guns but the British planes were so much better! I think it all added up to an unspoken bias for French hardware among the masses of unwashed Americans! If you looked at some of the airplanes the French developed for WW2 you would think some came from Dr Frankensteins laboratory, very unlike the modern looking Spitfires, Hurricanes and other competitive machines Britain produced! So yes a big negative perception built up with those of us born before or after WW2 for French made HW.
 

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Your historical "analysis" is entertaining . . . Folks simply wanted German marked pistols because those pistols were made famous during the Second World War and in every Hollywood depiction of that war and/or those pistols.
 

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Most consumers didn't know the Manurhin/Walther connection before the internet made it easier to learn about such things. I sure didn't.

I do know that Mec-Gar makes OEM magazines but I'd still rather have one with the Walther banner. I think it's the same thing with PP/PPK. Folks want the brand name.
 

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Your historical "analysis" is entertaining . . . Folks simply wanted German marked pistols because those pistols were made famous during the Second World War and in every Hollywood depiction of that war and/or those pistols.
Thanks, I try to make history entertaining, but factual! Most of us that were in the trade knew all about Manhurin after the war as a cheap copy. Like I said, they were beneath getting to know, except for a few. if you had sat at gun tables with me and had friends, fellow dealers at other tables of various shows, you would have heard much of what i gathered from the “old timers” many of them vets from those wars. Sure, german made guns had a history and a certain panache but why did they want German marked guns? Just because adolph was an associate? A few, but mostly because they were perceived to be excellent and allowed a smallish country noted for its technical excellence, to take on the world and almost, might of, won. French weapons were not in the same league except for oddities like the Pettier mod 49 which eventually
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became my Sig 210-6🤠
BTW thats a 50m target with 4 in one ragged hole and 2 fliers!
 

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The only .32 I have is a Barretta Tomcat. That little sucker kicks worse than any of my .45s. It actually hurts. I would like to get a PPK (black) so I'm looking.
 

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Thanks, I try to make history entertaining, but factual! Most of us that were in the trade knew all about Manhurin after the war as a cheap copy.
All Manhurins and Manuhrins must be very cheap copies... :D But in all seriousness, a real Manurhin is usually nicer and of better quality than a later 100% Ulm made PP series gun.

French weapons were not in the same league except for oddities like the Pettier mod 49 which eventually became my Sig 210-6.
You probably refer to the Petter pistol of 1935, which is of course a pretty lousy example of French gunmaking. ;)
 

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Which years/model, manufacturer/factory, would you search to find a hi quality version to avoid collector numbers and other highest prices to have an edc pistol. By hi-quality I mean excellent condition, decent finish with carry wear, good bore. Or, is the market such, that I should just search for my right price and grade from the entire history and be happy when I find the right deal!
rossmon, when starting down this road, opted to go the PP route instead and picked up a Walther and Manurhin, from 1973 and 1975 respectively. They are not excellent, but I'd say very good with decent finish, carry wear with good bore. Purchased this year at $599 and $899 respectively. Anything purchased is for shooting, I'm not a collector or looking for that grade.

Realize you are looking for a PPK, not the PP but wanted to share what I ended up doing. The other thing different in my case is neither with be EDC, but will ride in a Craft OWB holster from time to time. Kel-Tec P32 is my EDC.
 
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