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Thank you!
When you guys train at the range, do you actually train for center mass or try to go for headshots or possibly where the limbs would be?
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Keep practicing OP and someday 2" groups may happen and someone will buy you a beer. 
Center mass first if possible.
Would like to know the name and location of the indoor range that has a 50 yard lane.
Will add it to our travel list on the way to major competitions/shows next year.
Grip demos of our two styles of
"RogueWave" X Frame and 1911 grips named,
"10th Mountain Slopers"
Tribute to my Dad and his 10th Mountain Division buddies which formed in '41.
See you at Perry.
Unless I'm doing load development, I only shoot handguns at 50-100 yards these days.
That includes our 2 PPKs and 2 P238 pistols.
I know shooters that can hit each of your eyes, or get real close, at 50 yards offhand with a Glock. I'm glad they wear a Badge and use targets although death row inmates might be interesting.
Center mass first if possible.
Would like to know the name and location of the indoor range that has a 50 yard lane.
Will add it to our travel list on the way to major competitions/shows next year.
Grip demos of our two styles of
"RogueWave" X Frame and 1911 grips named,
"10th Mountain Slopers"
Tribute to my Dad and his 10th Mountain Division buddies which formed in '41.
See you at Perry.
Unless I'm doing load development, I only shoot handguns at 50-100 yards these days.
That includes our 2 PPKs and 2 P238 pistols.
I know shooters that can hit each of your eyes, or get real close, at 50 yards offhand with a Glock. I'm glad they wear a Badge and use targets although death row inmates might be interesting.
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IIRC Blu-Core shooting center in Denver and Liberty Firearms Institute in Johnstown, CO both have 100 yard ranges.
Blu-core is rifle only on the 100 yard line. Uncertain about LFI in Johnstown.
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Never been in a gun fight other than combat with a rifle.
I do know that it’s different than a sunny day at the range when your adrenaline is not at astronomical levels. And your target is stationary.
A hit, any hit, will be more a function of luck than pure skill. Sure, skill is required to get you any hits at all.
The Army trains for center mass. That will maximize your chance of a hit somewhere on your opponent.
I will go to my grave a happy man if I never have to ever fire another shot in anger.
But I haven’t forgotten how.
I do know that it’s different than a sunny day at the range when your adrenaline is not at astronomical levels. And your target is stationary.
A hit, any hit, will be more a function of luck than pure skill. Sure, skill is required to get you any hits at all.
The Army trains for center mass. That will maximize your chance of a hit somewhere on your opponent.
I will go to my grave a happy man if I never have to ever fire another shot in anger.
But I haven’t forgotten how.
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That's the only way I think I made those hits, it certainly wasn't aiming, it was just bringing it to the same exact spot as my first hit.
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I wanted to make sure I didn't deny your COMPACT TAURUS line because that thing surprised me how much it flip flipped around even with low grain training ammo, I have a UNI-COMP I'm installing now, interested to see if it makes a difference, but I kinda want to put it on my PPQ m2 4 inch with the Jarvis Barrel insteadI was surprised at how long it was but yeah the max was 50 and all the stalls are the same length, you can tell they dropped some serious cash on it its a really nice place and they allow you to film too (which if I had known it was going to happen I would have been
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Freehand usually refers to drawing a picture without tracing.
Offhand is the term used with firearms.
Haven't decided on the correct term for shooting offhand while leaning my back against a palm tree.
My blued S&Walther PPKs is a bit more accurate than my stainless, but only when I wear a Tux.
Offhand is the term used with firearms.
Haven't decided on the correct term for shooting offhand while leaning my back against a palm tree.
My blued S&Walther PPKs is a bit more accurate than my stainless, but only when I wear a Tux.
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Thanks AH
Spoke with them yesterday and LFI allows handguns at 50yds, but only on weekends..
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often use my ”strong” hand but not always for shootingFreehand usually refers to drawing a picture without tracing.
Offhand is the term used with firearms.
Haven't decided on the correct term for shooting offhand while leaning my back against a palm tree.
My blued S&Walther PPKs is a bit more accurate than my stainless, but only when I wear a Tux.
If you are shooting those groups at half a football field away, all I have to say is, "wow". That's a 6 shot grouping within what I'd assume is around three to four inches, with three fliers. Most polymer pistols, and the people behind them, cannot achieve that. What type of groups are you shooting at 25 yards, with a Taurus? If you are achieving those groups at 50 yards with iron sights, you are doing a lot right, and are ahead of the curve. Keep going.
My suggestion to the OP is to listen to the advice posted in the quote below. I used to shoot silhouette targets as well, but my shooting improved after switching to smaller targets. I try to do a mix of slow fire for accuracy, and firing more quickly to gain speed and accuracy. What I've found is that sometimes the only way to shoot more quickly and more accurately is to push my own limits of what I am comfortable or satisfied with, trying to understand what I am doing wrong, and then working to fix that. Shooting fundamentals are simple to understand, but difficult to master, and easy to lose if you aren't shooting "enough".
My suggestion to the OP is to listen to the advice posted in the quote below. I used to shoot silhouette targets as well, but my shooting improved after switching to smaller targets. I try to do a mix of slow fire for accuracy, and firing more quickly to gain speed and accuracy. What I've found is that sometimes the only way to shoot more quickly and more accurately is to push my own limits of what I am comfortable or satisfied with, trying to understand what I am doing wrong, and then working to fix that. Shooting fundamentals are simple to understand, but difficult to master, and easy to lose if you aren't shooting "enough".
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Thank you for the advice, I also have a 5-inch PPQ M2 with a ported slide, Jarvis barrel, and UNI-COMP as well as a PPQ m2 4" wth a Jarvis barrel but the slide isn't ported, I can switch the comp easily from one pistol to another (UNI-COMP was also on the G3C for the pic in the OG post, maybe that's some sort of key?) I was probably more surprised at the grouping that anyone else tbh, I do have what I feel is a strong present and aim motion but firing consecutive shots like that and getting that grouping blew my mind a bit. I will take your advice for sure. I will post a 25yard grouping soon, hopefully I can get over there tomorrow (I miss my farm lol)
50 yards you say with irons and a PPQ. Why don’t I believe you?
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Doesn't really matter if you do tbh, I'm not here for an argument or a contest.
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Why would you not believe?
Here is one of my poorly done videos showing my cheap GSG 1911 .22 at 100 yards, and keeping it all in the torso...
Once again... I believe.
I haven't shot my PPQ22 out to 50 yards - but I think it's doable.
Recently I have been shooting matches at 10 yards outdoors, and my standing 2-handed groups have been in the 1.25" - 1.5" range. I need to measure the 10 ring (EDIT: Just under 1.75") to get a more accurate measurement (it's not my usual target), but overall with CCI SV ammo the PPQ22 has impressed me, scoring "99" in both 20 and 10-second strings of 10-rounds.
I've shot Free Pistol (iron sights, 1-handed) out to 50M - and it's tough. I wouldn't expect great groups from the PPQ22 at that distance, but it does seem to be able to group pretty well for what it is.
EDIT: These are targets from today, but they are very similar to most of the PPQ22s targets.
Shot at 10 yards, 2-handed, CCI SV, 10-rounds in 20 or 10 seconds, 10-ring is just under 1.75" -
6 of the 10 shots are in a group under .75". I think we can attribute the flyer to The Jerk on the trigger...
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Fun range game is to use the non-adult calibers, like 22LR, 32/380 and punch holes at 25/50/100 yards,
Then take a scoped 460 or 500 and enlarge those holes.
Offhand of course.
IIRC the term offhand was for Bullseye competition.
Run as fast as you can, parallel to the 100 yard line, and there are those, who with a 1911/45, might miss on the first shot but will hit you on the second.
Some people are that good and practiced to get there.
They also considered that level of skill, just getting the basics down.
Plus a couple flew P51s as their EDC in WWII, Korea and jets when I met them in the '60s.
Then take a scoped 460 or 500 and enlarge those holes.
Offhand of course.
IIRC the term offhand was for Bullseye competition.
Run as fast as you can, parallel to the 100 yard line, and there are those, who with a 1911/45, might miss on the first shot but will hit you on the second.
Some people are that good and practiced to get there.
They also considered that level of skill, just getting the basics down.
Plus a couple flew P51s as their EDC in WWII, Korea and jets when I met them in the '60s.
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I can not and will not question your ability to make those hits. I have a suggestion for future videos....set the camera up at the target end so the viewer can see it before, during and after the final shot. That should satisfy those who question it. Looking at your backside is boring!
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Great shooting man! I was going to post another one showing something similar with a Taurus G3C but...
I mean that's something that comes with months of constant posting, learning editing, camera angles, multiple takes etc. This just seems like a dude who wanted to show what he could do. Could I tighten it up and make it 100X better with all the footage in at least 2K and 2 hours editing in Filmora? yes. Does that make it bad? no. He's not doing it for views or for likes, he's just doing it because he wants to.I can not and will not question your ability to make those hits. I have a suggestion for future videos....set the camera up at the target end so the viewer can see it before, during and after the final shot. That should satisfy those who question it. Looking at your backside is boring!
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That was a suggestion...not a demand...relax!
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