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When you guys train at the range, do you actually train for center mass or try to go for headshots or possibly where the limbs would be?

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Not saying like every single time, but I enjoy trying for something a bit harder and I'm usually successful; granted, unscoped with no dot and only iron on a PPQ M2 at 50 yards and it's not moving lol, so wouldn't really translate well to real life. I was just curious if anyone else did.



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Great question Ronnie Richard (you suck by the way ;)), I do 3 types:
  • relaxed slow accuracy single shots starting at 7 with my 2 EDC and up to 25 (Q5SF only) to get into it for a while, 2 hands, left hand, right hand.
  • mag 5 shots rapid as fast as possible but accuracy at SD distance 5&7yrds (TPH) and 7&10 (PPK)
  • draw EDC PPK from holster at 7 yards and using 2 spare mag changes fast but controlled every mag a different diamond on the target.
  • plink at will with other stuff just to enjoy
about 30-45 minutes.

I dont think body parts………if the time for self defense comes and hopefully it will never as a citizen I know I can control and get my ammo to go exactly where it needs to go……where that is will be depending on the situation then. I just want to break contact and run.

as you can read I have no clue what I am doing…seriously! But I am learning……love it…any feedback welcome.
Lol I don't suck I'm a very friendly person that loves Walthers. But yeah I agree, it's not practical at all, I was just wondering if anyone else just did it for the lulz (you can now tell me I suck since I used lulz) lol
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The more in the head, the better. Make them stop immediately. Hitting the heart or center of mass can still allow the perp to press a trigger and keep killing for many seconds. A center head shot can make them drop right now and stop being a threat.

Two to the body and one to the head, at least! That's how we trained!
Good call, So basically don't shoot for the vital only (vital as in you stop moving immediately after being hit), train with a mixture. What's your maneuver called, Mozambique right? I loved how Titanfall 2 (most underrated FPS every in history btw), had a gun called the Mozambique that shot all three bullets at once in their correct positions, it's a midrange-close weapon, but if you see it being fired from a standstill you'll see what I mean.....now thinking if this would be possible with a red dot or ACOG for the top shot and the two bottom shots line up automatically based on that (OMINOUSARMS EXCLUSIVE COMING YOUR WAY!):
With all the real estate on these targets, why limit yourself to center mass body shots? Are those the only kind of shots that will neutralize a bad guy? Newp. With a target as large as a silhouette it only makes sense to pick and choose where to shoot...left eye, neck, forehead, left shoulder, right shoulder, each number, the circumference of each circle, etc.

And I'm sorry, but I hesitate to believe that you shot that group above at 50 yards with a handgun and iron sights.
What's going to make it less believable is it was my first time shooting a silhouette in an indoor range, I usually pick the boards with multiple targets. I was mistaken on the gun, I wrote it on the back and put the date, it was my Taurus G3C, trust me I Didn't believe it either, which is why I kept it. I had no dot or anything on it. Just lined it up and shot. No chance on earth I'd be able to do it again (the one behind it is the first time my Mom ever fired a pistol).
Looks like a 3-4"~ group (with a few flyers) at 50 yards... with a compact Taurus? :oops:

I'm incredulous...50 feet? Sure. Especially on a good day with a little luck. But 50 yards? I don't even know that many indoor ranges with a 50 yard range and the ones that do usually limit the longer stalls to long guns.

Was this shot from a bench rest or free hand?
I was surprised at how long it was but yeah the max was 50 and all the stalls are the same length, you can tell they dropped some serious cash on it its a really nice place and they allow you to film too (which if I had known it was going to happen I would have been :( ). You can hear the little ZWRRRRRRRRRRR and watch it disappear off into the distance. I was just doing it for a gag because I didn't think I'd hit anything at all, much less get a grouping, I have shot that gun a lot and practice bringing it back to the same position all the time since I carry it quite a bit. Ill even unload it and aim at a doorknob or something and fling it to the side and try to get it back in the same spot without actually aiming (I don't know if that actually helps its just something I do), and no benchrest it was freehand. Again I'm not saying I'd ever be able to do it again, it was just a one in a million fluke I guess because I can't even do that at 10-20 yards.
Shooting that group freehand is quite impressive. Most folks aren't doing much better than 3" groups at half that range from a sandbag or bench rest using the G3.

I'll take your word... but choose to remain incredulous.
No problem! like I said I didn't believe it myself which is why I kept it haha
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Muscle memory. Two to the heart and one to the head.
That's the only way I think I made those hits, it certainly wasn't aiming, it was just bringing it to the same exact spot as my first hit.
I was surprised at how long it was but yeah the max was 50 and all the stalls are the same length, you can tell they dropped some serious cash on it its a really nice place and they allow you to film too (which if I had known it was going to happen I would have been :( ). You can hear the little ZWRRRRRRRRRRR and watch it disappear off into the distance. I was just doing it for a gag because I didn't think I'd hit anything at all, much less get a grouping, I have shot that gun a lot and practice bringing it back to the same position all the time since I carry it quite a bit. Ill even unload it and aim at a doorknob or something and fling it to the side and try to get it back in the same spot without actually aiming (I don't know if that actually helps its just something I do), and no benchrest it was freehand. Again I'm not saying I'd ever be able to do it again, it was just a one in a million fluke I guess because I can't even do that at 10-20 yards.
I wanted to make sure I didn't deny your COMPACT TAURUS line because that thing surprised me how much it flip flipped around even with low grain training ammo, I have a UNI-COMP I'm installing now, interested to see if it makes a difference, but I kinda want to put it on my PPQ m2 4 inch with the Jarvis Barrel instead
If you are shooting those groups at half a football field away, all I have to say is, "wow". That's a 6 shot grouping within what I'd assume is around three to four inches, with three fliers. Most polymer pistols, and the people behind them, cannot achieve that. What type of groups are you shooting at 25 yards, with a Taurus? If you are achieving those groups at 50 yards with iron sights, you are doing a lot right, and are ahead of the curve. Keep going.

My suggestion to the OP is to listen to the advice posted in the quote below. I used to shoot silhouette targets as well, but my shooting improved after switching to smaller targets. I try to do a mix of slow fire for accuracy, and firing more quickly to gain speed and accuracy. What I've found is that sometimes the only way to shoot more quickly and more accurately is to push my own limits of what I am comfortable or satisfied with, trying to understand what I am doing wrong, and then working to fix that. Shooting fundamentals are simple to understand, but difficult to master, and easy to lose if you aren't shooting "enough".
Thank you for the advice, I also have a 5-inch PPQ M2 with a ported slide, Jarvis barrel, and UNI-COMP as well as a PPQ m2 4" wth a Jarvis barrel but the slide isn't ported, I can switch the comp easily from one pistol to another (UNI-COMP was also on the G3C for the pic in the OG post, maybe that's some sort of key?) I was probably more surprised at the grouping that anyone else tbh, I do have what I feel is a strong present and aim motion but firing consecutive shots like that and getting that grouping blew my mind a bit. I will take your advice for sure. I will post a 25yard grouping soon, hopefully I can get over there tomorrow (I miss my farm lol)
50 yards you say with irons and a PPQ. Why don’t I believe you?
Doesn't really matter if you do tbh, I'm not here for an argument or a contest.
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Why would you not believe?

Here is one of my poorly done videos showing my cheap GSG 1911 .22 at 100 yards, and keeping it all in the torso...


Once again... I believe.
Great shooting man! I was going to post another one showing something similar with a Taurus G3C but...
I can not and will not question your ability to make those hits. I have a suggestion for future videos....set the camera up at the target end so the viewer can see it before, during and after the final shot. That should satisfy those who question it. Looking at your backside is boring!:D
I mean that's something that comes with months of constant posting, learning editing, camera angles, multiple takes etc. This just seems like a dude who wanted to show what he could do. Could I tighten it up and make it 100X better with all the footage in at least 2K and 2 hours editing in Filmora? yes. Does that make it bad? no. He's not doing it for views or for likes, he's just doing it because he wants to.
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That was a suggestion...not a demand...relax!
Oh I already got my video rig upscaling that vid to 4K pal, what's done is done!
You might think it's cute and funny but I do not. I will ask once....cease and desist!
Hey friend, whats your problem?

(already getting the feeling you don't know the Canadian Argument SouthPark gag)
My understanding is if there is ever a problem you can simply walk out onto the balcony with your shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house. 🤷‍♂️ :unsure:
The only time I remember that happening is the first Jeepers Creepers movie with the old cat lady lol
I've heard similar statistics for years. I've also heard that they included suicides into those statistics, which make up around 2/3s of all "gun deaths" in the US, which skews all three of those numbers significantly.

Looking at statistics of police shootings, they average between a 10-50% hit rate. The NYPD in 1990 averaged a 23% hit rate. CPD from 2010-2015 fired 2,623 rounds to kill or injure 262 people. Factor that into a 3-shot average and the numbers don't seem to make sense.

I haven't done enough research here to know for sure, but the numbers seem off as far as I'm concerned. If the research was done correctly and the numbers are "realistic", please let me know.
Just wondering tho lots of average patrol offices of whom many probably still had revolvers back then are not going to beat your average patrol officer of today with an sbr AR with a red dot and modern self-defense rounds. Most of the shootings I've seen have been pretty good as far as hit rate, granted most of those guys are pulling up on things already happening they usually aren't already going into the situation with their AR out already so I can see where the nervousness comes from but that's also cultural thing. I'm not a de-fund the police person although I do think their training is woefully inadequate for modern 1st world countries. Remember back maybe 7-8 years ago when all those Chiefs and political officials went to Israel and basically adopted the system they've used with Palestinians since the war? EVERY SINGLE PERSON YOU SEE WANTS TO KILL YOU is kinda the basis of it which probably isn't the best take in a society that privatized then eliminated public mental institutions, released everyone when they failed, and started calling them "transient mentally ill", or the word most people use, "homeless". The Los Angeles County jail is LITERALLY the largest mental institution in the World.
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Many folks won't carry FMJ because of the fear of over penetration. Along those lines, trying for a head shot (other than at stationary paper target) will likely result in a miss that continues on at full energy. (Assuming most hostile targets will be moving or fighting.)
I've heard this a few times before and in a self-defense situation there's ever been ONE person actually prosecuted or charged with a crime for hitting a bystander with overpenetration. I'm not saying it doesn't matter because why not prevent that if you can, you know? But if for some weird reason you ONLY had regular range bullets and you were say outside and defending yourself, there's nothing that says an errant bullet hitting someone from a result of you saving your life results in a charge. Again obviously it's silly to not prevent it if you can, I used to carry regular rant bullets but ended up buying self-defense rounds for everything I keep outside it's case, including my AR.
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