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In the absence of any stocking Walther dealers in my area I was considering a full-size and a compact S&W99 that is on the used board of my local gun store. I never have understood the relationship between Walther and Smith and Wesson and how these lines crossed with the S&W version of the P99.

Should I expect the same performance from the S&W version, or is it somehow inferior?

I recall that the finish from the two gun makers is similar, but not exactly the same ? can someone qualify this for me?

The ?Walther? markings on the S&W are confusing ? is it the case that some parts are made by Walther and some by S&W? This doesn?t seem to make a lot of sense, but I would like to know the story.

Since I am already set up with holsters and magazines for full and compact P99s, is there any reason (other than brand loyality to Walther ? some call this snobbery) why I should not buy either of the S&W pistols, provided I can get a good price on them?

These two S&Ws have been in stock for a while and I suspect the M&P has completely bowled over the market for S&W polymer pistols. This store is promoting the M&P heavily as well.

Your thoughts and assistance in putting this all in perspective and comparing / contrasting the two similar products from two makers would be much appreciated.
 

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Walther has contracted with Smith and Wesson as its agent in North America for marketing and sales of some of its coomercial pistols.

Walther P99 pistols and all the S&W P99 series of pistol frames are made in Germany and imported here. The S&W pistols get slides and barrels made by S&W.

Federal law requires any firearm imported into the U.S. to be stamped/marked with the name/city/state of the importer. There are two importers in the U.S., one is S&W [that is why you see Smith markings on the forward right side of the slide. The other is Earl's Repair Service [ERS] in Tewksbury, MA. ERS does import other Walther weapons and the P99.

Different people have different opinions. I feel the quality is the same. Many denigrate the Smith guns because of the Clinton agreement or the allure of an imported gun, but I have seen no demostrative difference.

The metal treatments are a different process, but both equally good. The S&W slide is stainless steel.

The Walther P99 series didn't make a big impression in the L.E. market and Smith came out with the M&P to regain the L.E. market from Glock.
 

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Your comment about the metal finishes is particulary interesting to me. Living here in the sweaty South I have a serious horror of things rusting. Would you say the finish of the S&W and the Walther are comparable to that on the Glock pistols? I always considered that the gold standard of hard and corrosion resistant finishes on a firearm.
 

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Walther's are teniffer treated.... which is not a surface treatment but will intermix with the metal and acts as a rustinhibitor.....

S&W's are made of SS and then treated.... forgot the term they use.....

I think with propper care you would not need to worry about either finish starting to rust....
 

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FWIW:

Can't speak for "long term issues" regarding the P99/AS and the SW99, but I can give you my opinion based on a short term comparison between the two.

I've had a P99/AS (and a P99c/AS) for several months now, and my buddy has had his SW99 for approximately the same amount of time.

He and I shoot quite often behind his home (we live in a rural area) and for all practical purposes it seems both pistols are about equal in performance. I like the Walther because I like Walthers, but he's completely happy with his SW99..

I like his lifetime warranty better than I like the one year warranty on my Walthers, but my experience has been that if a problem is likely to show up it will do so within a year.

The only problems I've had with my Walther P99's is that I get frustrated when I cannot take advantage of the inherent amazing accuracy of the pistols. I've never owned a pistol, or pistols, as accurate right out of the box as both of my Walther P99's.

I think you would be well served with either a P99/AS or an SW99.

JMOFO

J. Pomeroy
 

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The finishes are almost identical on the metal slide - S&W uses melonite - which is just the american version of tennifer basically.

I like the looks of the Walther more - but I too first bought a SW99 in 2005 when I couldn't at first locate a P99 A/S.

I hard chromed all of my polymer 99s - Here is a pic :)

(no more holster wear now)



 

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Its not $750 - MSRP is always $200 or more than street value.

There is a SW990L in my town for sale for $575. That is still too high.

Yes - the SW990: is S&W's version of the QA - it just has NO decocker at all.
 

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Hi ShipWreck,

Here in the PRK I think of the 'street' market as illegal underground gun dealers. Of course I won't go there.:eek: All the licensed shops seem to like prices close to MSRP.:( Case in point: a P99-QA or AS lists on Walther America for $665 and the only outlet within driving distance wants $642 and has only the QA.:mad:
The only thing more outrageous than Kalifornia firearm laws is how much our residents are willing to pay for one.:rolleyes:

Russell
 

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P99 Compact - Holsters?

Does anyone know the correct application for a Fobus holster or really any brand that will fit a P99 "C" (Compact)?????
 

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i carry my P99c in a fobus holster designed for a fullsize P99,have no probs at all.retains the pistol perfectly.
 

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I have a regular paddle holster for training (uncle mikes) that works on the P99 and the P99c.....
I did buy a belt slide that I find perfect for the P99c. It's a DonHume and for under $25 it's a deal IMHO you can't beat.... I don't like it for the P99 since the slide sticks out on the bottom too much......
if you like clip-on holsters there is one you can get from Earl's that is for the P99c and it is Walther marked....
and if you want to wait some time and spent some good money you can contact Matt DelFatti and have him make one for the P99c.... or Fist holsters has a mold for the P99c.....
I think there might be a few others that make one for the P99c but any holster that works for the P99 will work for the P99c
 

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I did buy a belt slide that I find perfect for the P99c. It's a DonHume and for under $25 it's a deal IMHO you can't beat....
Uncut,
How is the retention with that slide? Looks a little flimsy from here but it may just be my perspective...does it secure okay?
 

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it does great.....it was way tight when I first got it....
I am not sure how tight it will stay though :eek:
 

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Yeah I didn't think I saw a tension spring screw...leather does have a tendency to loosen up some and with the shorter barrel of the compact I would be a little leery. In some cases size does matter and a 1/2" can make all the difference in the world...:rolleyes:
 

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Ahem.... not to return to the subject of this thread or anything like that...but let me just get this straight: there is no difference other than the finish and the markings between the S&W products and that of Walther?

Or did I miss something before we got off into screws on holsters?
 

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there is
ther triggerguard on the SW99 is different....
the SW99c does not have a rail like the P99c....
and it's not just the finish that is different...... SW99's are SS
from what I know about metal, SS is not as hard as regular steel.... but what do I know
 
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