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Hello everyone, I haven't used this forum much in the past - I think I created my account years ago, to find information for my brother.

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this question - if so, it can be moved.

After a lot of thinking about it, I'm strongly considering a Walther PPK or the /S version for a "carry gun", instead of my S&W Model 19. I went to the Walther site, then to the gun dealers where all I find is "out of stock", and then to Gunbroker where I find lots of choices I know little about.

If what I read is correct, both of the guns I'm looking into are available new. I guess my question is where I might find them for sale, if at all possible in South Florida.

If I go to Gunbroker, there are original models, and "first edition" models, and lots of other choices, but I'm not sure which might be best for me. I'm not a collector, so I think I'd be better off with a brand new gun.

Also, I understand the upper part of the gun is the same on the PPK and the /S model, but the /s has a longer grip and can hold one more round. Other than size and capacity, are there any reasons to get one rather than the other?


I currently shoot Bullseye, often with a 1911. I found where S&W and others make a miniature 1911. I would probably be right at home with that gun. On the other hand, I know very little about the PPK, other than that a relative has one, and loves it, and a retired Federal agent highly recommended it. His advice was to just drop it into a pocket, no holster needed.

Final question - my range allows me to shoot at 15, 25, or 50 yards. At 15 yards, what kind of accuracy could I expect, if I do my part properly.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

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My perceptions:
-- Given grip length, the PPK is better for pocket than the PPK/S.
-- It's easier to control .380 ACP in a PPK/S than it is in a PPK.
-- The PPK is best with.32 ACP.
-- The S&W variant cycles HP/JHP as well as FMJ given its modernized (continous) feed ramp. (Note 1: Some hate the looks of the S&W variant given its extended tang, but the extended tang allows me better control; Note 2: Fort Smith has retained the S&W feed ramp and extended tang.)
-- On casual observation (when gripped) the PPK and PPK/S look identical (but you get the extra round with the PPK/S.)
-- Stainless steel is the way to go if you intend to EDC your PPK or PPK/S.
 

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"Available" means still nothing. The PPK/S is getting hand assembled in Arkansas at a rate of I think it was 35 a day. The PPK will ship "later this year or early next year." Been hearing that one since 2013.
For concealed carry as a reliable and accurate self defense gun with some 1911 style, you can't go much better than the Sig P938 or Kimber Micro 9, both beefed up versions of the Colt Mustang.
 

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I do not like the new PPK/s and I’m not fond of the current manufacture.

I have both a Walther Walther PPK in .32 and a blued interarms PPK. Both of mine are impressively accurate at 15 yards. The PPK is a very underrated old gun.

It is too heavy for pants pocket carry, though. Also my Sig P238 shoots circles around it and slips easily in a pocket holster.

I do, from time to time, carry a Walther PPK though and I like it. But it’s heavier not as useful and almost always will rub your hand web. Still, it’s a bolder.


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I love my Ulm PPK .380 (vintage 1966) but there are far better choices for a gun you plan to literally bet your life on. Given your familiarity with the 1911 Platform I think you would be far better served with a Kimber Micro 9. They are available in a variety of finishes, with varying amounts of farkle, at a price point (for entry-level versions) far less than a new Walther. And they are substantially lighter, making for much more comfortable carry.

And finally, there is no arguing the effectiveness of the 9mm cartridge compared to the .380. My Micro 9 even has measurably less felt recoil than my PPK.

Others prefer modern striker-fired plastic guns for ‘social work’. I personally can’t abide them, simply because I’m old-fashioned.

But not so old-fashioned as to carry a PPK as a primary CCW tool.

Which is not to say I don’t love my PPK—I do. But there are many better choices for what you say you want to do.
 

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If I abandon the idea of getting the PPK, the other gun I'm most interested on is:
https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/performance-center-sw1911-pro-series-9mm

When/if I want to carry, something I don't do on a regular basis, the PPK seemed a simple answer. I feel like people here and elsewhere are telling me there are better answers for me. Well, I know in feel comfortable with the 1911 guns, and this S&W would be a simple answer.

.......www.usacarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/sw1911-pro-series-3-sub-compact-review-696x546.jpg .....


I liked the idea of the PPK. My interest in this peaked when I went to an "active shooter" group talk, but on by the Sheriff from Indian River. As he went through all the options (run, hide, or fight) I felt he left off the idea of having your own weapon for protection. Again, I thought the PPK would be perfect.

I need to do some more thinking about this - thanks for all the feedback.
 

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Couple of points: carry always. The "run hide fight" is not something your sheriff came up with, but the DHS. I must have seen versions of the video half a dozen times, with different imagery but always the exact same script. In the words of Dale Gribble, anything can be a weapon; for instance, this weapon. And since the video addresses active shooters in a no weapons zone, better have one that's completely concealable. Like the aforementioned micro 1911s. Or PPS with the six round mag inserted and a 8 round mag somewhere upon your person. Goes for the micro 1911s also. Which gives you the round count of a full sized pistol.
 

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That S&W 1911 is a full-sized frame with a short slide and barrel. Certainly effective but you will have challenges carrying it concealed on a hot summer day.

I love the size of the PPK, and this is much bigger and probably heavier.

The various Micro 1911s and small Glocks etc boast dimensions in the PPK class (good) with much less weight (very good) and 9mm power (even better, compared to .380).
 

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That S&W 1911 is a full-sized frame with a short slide and barrel. Certainly effective but you will have challenges carrying it concealed on a hot summer day..........I love the size of the PPK, and this is much bigger and probably heavier........... The various Micro 1911s and small Glocks etc boast
  • dimensions in the PPK class (good) with much
  • less weight (very good) and
  • 9mm power (even better, compared to .380).
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I've never fired a PPK, only held one in my hand. I fire or dry-fire 1911's every day shooting one handed. You've brought up three very important things to consider, SIZE, WEIGHT, and POWER. There is one more thing to consider, ACCURACY,

Two questions - I've read where the PPK in the right hands can be very accurate. A good 1911 is very accurate. Still, take two guns, one micro-size and the other full size, and using 9mm ammunition for the added power - how likely are you going to hit what you're aiming at as the gun size changes?

If it's a situation where the other guy with a gun is fairly close, this may not matter. But if I stick with what prompted me to want the PPK to begin with, an active shooter situation, it's more likely that I'll be between 15 yards and 25 yards away, not to mention I suspect my hands will be shaking. The ability to shoot well at a longer distance (if true) seems far more important to me than how conveniently I can carry the gun in a hot summer's day.

.............which comes back to the original reason why I asked the question here. The PPK shoots a smaller bullet, allowing the gun to be smaller, lighter, and from what I've read, still capable of good accuracy.

No matter what I get, it will be a compromise. The PPK seemed like an excellent compromise, and the Federal Officer I discussed this with recommended it. If I'm going to instead get a more powerful gun, then different compromises may be needed.
 

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Adding something to what I posted earlier - if I'm not going to get the PPK, rather than buying a 9mm semi-auto, I already have my S&W Model 19 with short barrel and holster. That would leave me back to maybe buying the PPK for use when/if I didn't want to be carrying something larger. Anything I do is going to be a compromise. ......and if I want a real PPK, not the /S, I think they will be available starting early next year.
 

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Welcome Michael. Have you fired a .380 PP of any kind? They are accurate enough but that fixed barrel means they kick....hard. I don't find the .380 versions pleasant to fire. Your .45 is larger but that Browning lock performs miracles. Beautiful pistol, yepper. Every enthusiast should have one or more....in .32 or .22.

I don't think you will have any problem finding a nice old one in the $400 + range. Personally, I'd rather have a German/Manurhin over an Interarms/Smith or new one. How big and meaty are your hands? The pistols can be a problem for people with large/meaty hands.

As far as carry goes...they are small but they are heavy. And, these days you can step up to 9mm is a similar sized pistol. Be sure and shoot one if you haven't yet. Good luck and may you never have to use whatever you get for self defense. 1917
 

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Thanks, 1917. No, I've never fired one. Maybe my brother will let me fire his - his gun dates back to WWII.

Hands - no, my hands are in no way "big and meaty"; they're on the small side, and so am I. I'm also going on 67, and I used to be the guy who posed as the "97 pound weakling" in the Charles Atlas ads.

Being "heavy" doesn't sound like a problem - a heavier gun will help "absorb" some of the recoil.

I already have a 9mm Taurus PT-92, but didn't like the 115 gr "kick". The 147 gr ammo was more comfortable to shoot. I mostly shoot 22 and 45, and thoroughly enjoy my S&W Model 52 that shoots 38 Special.

Regarding carry, I like the way my brother put it - you hope you'll never need to use a fire extinguisher, but it really helps to have one if you need it. I see how that applies to "carry". That I have one on my body doesn't mean I need to use it, but if I need to use it, it's there.

I know nothing about the PPK, I'm comfortable with 1911's, I love my small S&W Model 19 revolver (used to be a gun the police would likely have on their body). I don't want a plastic gun, which leaves out Glock and many others.

........you make a good point - I should try to shoot a round or two from my brother's gun before I buy one.

(Would a good used German made PPK be better than waiting for a brand new made in USA PPK?)
 
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