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Hey guys,
Just wondering if anyone had any input on the Walther CCP vs. the Walther PPS M2. I haven't handled the PPS M2 yet, but have handled the CCP many times. As far as concealed carry goes, which pistol is the superior carry gun?
 

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Between those two I would say the PPS M2 without equivocation if for no other reasons than reliability and compactness. But you really need to look at a third option — the Walther P99c AS. The DA/SA trigger, greater capacity (10+1 in 9mm), and compact size (smaller than the CCP, only slightly larger than the PPS) make it perfect for concealed carry.
 

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Good place to start your research:

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/40094-ccp-problems-issues-running-thread.html

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/...g43shooter-says-he-wants-hear-ccp-issues.html

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/41186-tracking-ccp-issues-lack-serial-number.html

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/45740-should-i-avoid-ccp.html

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/45573-today-s-uggghhh.html

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/45781-new-ccp-doesn-t-consistently-fire.html

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/45599-new-member-new-ccp-slide-s-jammed.html

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/...ve-have-you-had-good-experience-your-ccp.html


Well.....it goes on and on and on.....Personally, I wouldn't even consider a CCP if I wanted a reliable self-defense firearm

As to the P99c, many people like those double-stack subcompacts for concealed carry, and you should look at them to see if they meet your needs, but the P99c is in a completely different category of firearm than the CCP or the PPS. My feeling is that it's the thin-ness of the firearm that makes it optimally concealable, not its length or width, but YMMV. Some body types find a PPQ, VP9, or G19 to be the best carry option.


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Thanks! I had considered the P99C AS, but at that time I was interested in buying the full size pistol, rather than the compact. Astetically they all look awesome!
 

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It it's full-size you want, shoot the P99AS against the PPQ. Also, look at the Glock 19 and the HK VP9.

I've shot both PPQ and P99 and if asked to choose it would be the P99. It's the trigger for me.

The P99C is the best of both worlds. With a plastic sleeve ($20) and a full-sized magazine, you get a P99 with a half-inch shorter barrel. What's not to like about that ... especially because the platform is a proven success.

Seems to me either a CCP or PPS would conceal easier than a P99C. It would be like a G43 vs a G26, or a P239 vs a P228. But my view may be biased because it's harder for us plus sized guys to conceal, so a single stack will win over a double.
 

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I like the idea behind the CCP, but a couple of things I would question is this. First, does the hot gasses going into the piston area make the dust cover hot? Second, does the gun continue to work well after a longer range session? I mean, it seems there would be a lot of fouling in there.
 

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The dust cover does get warm when you shoot it fast, but it has a massive heat sink so if you don't pour rounds through it, it's okay. I have put 250 rounds through it and the carbon fouling actually seals up the gas piston a bit, so it actually does better after a bit...
 

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I know, right? Whereas the trigger is exactly the reason I don't have a P99. Weird!

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The PPQ trigger is too light and the reset too short for me, double-tapping was always a concern. That's why I went with the P99. But truth to tell I prefer the trigger on my P320 over either one of them.
 

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The PPQ trigger is too light and the reset too short for me, double-tapping was always a concern.
I understand. Trigger control is the hardest aspect of pistol shooting to master and some guns are harder than others. Practice, practice, practice, watch your reset, and keep your finger off the trigger til the gun is on target.
 

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The PPQ trigger is too light and the reset too short for me, double-tapping was always a concern. That's why I went with the P99. But truth to tell I prefer the trigger on my P320 over either one of them.
The p99 and PPQ have basically the same reset. I've bump fired both accidentally when riding the reset.

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Love the ergonomics of my CCP, but it's a bit fussy for my liking. I have a P99c and find the grip a bit too short. And obviously it's me, but I don't consider these concealed carry candidates. Yeah, maybe compared to a freakin' Python, but the words small and handy don't come to mind. I carry a Bersa Thunder 380 CC because I like its PPK look and feel. But I'm about this close to trading the P99c for a PPS. I didn't like it at first, but it's growing on me. That and it's an older, established model that's been in production awhile.
 

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I just shot the PPS M2 the other day and it would be hard to convince me the CCP is even a contender. The manual safety and take down on the CCP are hard for me to get past.

Look into the 3rd option, a P99c. I have a P99as and it swayed me from my Sigs for the time being.

-Rob
 

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I'm a Walther noob, obviously, but on the CCP, with it's gas blow back option, does it get hot with extended use? I shot an HK P7M8 once, and after three magazines it was extremely warm.

On the OP - Based on my research on the CCP, during my due diligence phase, it was eliminated as a potential carry gun for me based on the persistent reliability issues.

First on my criteria is reliability. If it will not reliably go bang, it is not something I want to use in a life or death situation.

I waited for SHOT to see what would come out. To be honest I was hoping for a VP9SK, but seeing the PPS M2 blew my socks off.

Especially after shooting a PPS Classic at the range so well (for me).

I bought my M2 Tuesday; I really really like it.

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Okay, so I finally laid hands on a PPS M2... I like it, but I will echo some of the other comments that I have heard out there... It feels good, but not as good as the CCP. It IS very flat, and the trigger feels better than the PPS M1. The trigger feels better than the CCP as well- and ALMOST as good as a PPQ. I will probably add one to the collection. Collector's Firearms in Houston had a new one for $489 and a used one for $429. But I will probably buy one online for less than either of those.


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