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Anyone seen the new AR-15 style .22 cal rifles (made in Germany by Walther) that are hitting the store shelves? Nice quality and price (they are also on Gunbroker, search on Umarax AR-15).

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Interesting; thanks for the heads-up.

Here's a link to Gunbroker's listings for the gun:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.asp

And here's a link to what's listed on GUnsamerica:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/Search.aspx?T=walther ar-15

According to the ad description on Gunbroker:

This rifle is brand new and just in from my supplier. They are manufactured in Germany by Carl Walther under license from Colt and they are imported by UMAREX USA. The receivers are made of metal not carbon fiber or some other product. They are the tightest fitting receivers I have ever seen straight from the factory.

It's good to know that Umarex is the importer and not the manufacturer.

Of course, they do have COLT stamped on them and not Walther.
 

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As a followup to my original post, I stopped by my local gun shop yesterday and was shown one of the new (Walther manufactured) AR-15 type rifles. It looks and feels just like the real thing. You have to do some close inspection to see the differences but for shooting .22 cal ammo it looks like a lot of fun. I put one on lay-a-way and plan to pick it up at the end of the month (or sooner). If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll do a review of the rifle once I pick it up.

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Hmmm.
We have S&W building Walthers,
Walther building Colts,
now we just need Colt to build a Model 29 revolver and we'll come full circle! :D
 

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There's been speculation for some time that the Walther/S&W bond has been fracturing -- a bad marriage waiting to dissolve. It's been purely speculation to date, of course, but there's logic to the reasoning that leads to the speculation: shortage of parts, the disappointing PPK recall, the delayed release of the PK380, etc.

It doesn't mean anything, and it's no good to cross your fingers and hope, but you have to wonder what a marriage between Walther and Colt, or Walther and any number of other gun manufacturers, would bring to the table. I for one am not convinced that divorce and remarriage is necessarily a good thing in the case of Walther and S&W, even if it hasn't been the easiest of marriages. But I'm also not convinced that the appearance of Colt on the scene would improve things. The big problem is that all of the gun manufacturers have their own agenda, their own needs, their own products to peddle. That wouldn't go away if Walther married Colt, or Bersa (god forbid), or Taurus (god forbid), or ... well, name your favorite contender.

For me, Walther deciding to strengthen its global position by taking a real interest in the U.S. market instead of leaving it to S&W to manage would be a vast improvement, in the same way that Glock has done it, SIG has done it, etc. But Walther/Umarex doesn't seem to have the interest or the time or the desire or the focus to make it happen ... and so we are stuck with the marriage we have, at least for now.

Let's face it: It could be a lot worse. Imagine, for example, what the world would be like if Glock and Walther were married. Just think about how ugly the offspring of that union would be. :)
 

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Great forum posting!

"Let's face it: It could be a lot worse. Imagine, for example, what the world would be like if Glock and Walther were married. Just think about how ugly the offspring of that union would be. "

This is the greatest comment I have read so far in the forum! Keep up the great work!
 

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S&W AR15 .22

The S&W is cheaper than the Colt/Walther, but the Walther is made of aluminum and not polymer like the S&W AR15. My dealer is selling the Wlather one for $570, and the S&W one goes for $490. My experience tells me that the aluminum one will be more rugged and will last longer that the polymer one. I am just old fashioned I guess!
 

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There's many different kinds of polymers (or plastics), just as there are many different types of aluminum (3000, 5000, 6000 series). I'm a bit old fashioned myself, but would prefer polymer over aluminum because it's lighter, stronger, corrosion proof.

I can ask you the following: would you prefer to fly in an aircraft with wings made of cotton linen, aluminum, or "plastic"?

I still like the looks of the S&W better and being an S&W will most likely hold it's value better. It would be nice of all of them would use a standardized .22 magazine, i.e., BDM

I'll likely just get the CMMG .22 conversion kit for my Bushmaster. For $200, it's probably the better value.
 

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Question

For those of you that have bought the .22 AR, I am having a feed problem. About every 5th or 6th round the weapon jams.

Any suggestions on different ammo?
 

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Hmmm.
We have S&W building Walther's,
Walther building Colts,
now we just need Colt to build a Model 29 revolver and we'll come full circle! :D
Uh, Walther isn't building these rifles, they are MARKETING rifles built by Colt. Big difference. And I'm NOT a Colt fan. They don't make anything in the rifle, they purchase parts & assemble them. The parts must be Mil-spec qualified. But, you cannot take a Colt lower and add another manufactures upper. Pin holes Ar different size. SO, I guess that makes a Colt a NON MIL-SPEC rifle. I'll pass & keep on shooting my array of Ar's with my Ciner 22 conversion kit I got for $139 years ago with 30 round mag. No failure to feeds or failure to ejects EVER. Ammo that has bad primer, yes but that's been it thru 10K rounds!
 

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According to Colt's website:"German engineering and manufacturing have made this dedicated .22 the perfect practice and training companion for centerfire 5.56 owners."

They're doing more than just marketing it. If anything, I'd say it's the other way around. Colt is marketing a Walther made firearm.

http://www.colt22rimfire.com/index.php?page=colt-m16-rifle
 

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Uh, Walther isn't building these rifles, they are MARKETING rifles built by Colt. Big difference. And I'm NOT a Colt fan. They don't make anything in the rifle, they purchase parts & assemble them. The parts must be Mil-spec qualified. But, you cannot take a Colt lower and add another manufactures upper. Pin holes Ar different size. SO, I guess that makes a Colt a NON MIL-SPEC rifle. I'll pass & keep on shooting my array of Ar's with my Ciner 22 conversion kit I got for $139 years ago with 30 round mag. No failure to feeds or failure to ejects EVER. Ammo that has bad primer, yes but that's been it thru 10K rounds!
ME is mistaken. They are definately made by Walther. This months American Rifleman has a good write up on them. None of the parts are interchangable with any AR15. It is made to look like an AR but that is where it ends. Anyone who has seen the rifle knows it is merely a look alike.
 

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Most definitely German-made.

The more I look into this critter, the more I like it. Somewhere down the road, I just may have to take the leap and get one. As the saying goes, you can never be too rich, nor too thin, nor have too many Walthers. :)
 

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Colt "Tactical Rimfire"

I was at the Tampa Gun Show at the beginning of the month and actually got to hold both the S&W 15-22 and Colt/Umarex M4 OPS model side by side. I will say this...the Colt feels much more substantial compared to the Smith due to the aluminum construction...it just feels much more sturdy and well built, however, the Smith's lean weight may be advantageous to someone looking for something they just wanted to plink with without getting fatigued. The Colt seems like it was built to be a perfect clone of the AR-15 for training purposes and from what I understand will accept almost all AR accessories such as optics, lasers, lights, etc. HOWEVER, niether is convertible to .223 through use of a replacement upper, and many of the parts on the Colt are non functional, such as the bolt release and forward assist. They are strictly for cosmetic accuracy. There are even simulation pins and rivits in the lower reciever to make them look more "authentic". I have not done as much research on the Smith and Wesson yet, because I liked the look and feel of the Colt better from the start (especially due to the Walther link, however remote!). I guess the Smith just kinda felt like a Soft Air gun becuase of the polymer construction and you DO NOT want that impression should it fall into the wrong hands. The Colt also has a 5 round higher capacity, which may not matter to some, but I prefer the extra 5 rounds. If anyone has an opportunity to shoot one or both, give me some feedback, as I will likely be purchasing one of the two in the near future. There is lots of info on http://www.colt22rimfire.com too and even videos on field stripping and other features.
 

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I understand why they are there, but the "cosmetic" parts on the Colt/Walther turn me off to the rifle. Sort of like a spoiler on an Ford Escort.

Perhaps it will be a useful training tool for those with an AR pattern rifle, but for those without, I'd much rather have a Ruger 10/22.
 

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M4OPS

For those of you that have bought the .22 AR, I am having a feed problem. About every 5th or 6th round the weapon jams.

Any suggestions on different ammo?
BigJoe062 what brand of ammo did you try?

I recently picked one of these up myself. Mine absolutely would not function with Remington Golden. I had frequent failure to chamber with Remington Golden, and when they did chamber they rarely, and I do mean rarely went bang. Although frustrated at that point that my new rifle did not like the Remington Gold, all was not lost as I had some CCI Blazer round nose and some Winchester 333 bulk pack that the rifle ate flawlessly. I have found the Winchester 333 packs at Wal-Mart locally. Needless to say I did burn up the winchester 333's rather quickly.

I would imagine that CCI mini-mags should be good to go, I have some but have not tested them yet. I also have some Federal 550 bulk pack and some Federal Auto Match bulk which I have yet to test. Also if you do not use some care when loading the magazine you can get some failure to feed issues as well, overall a good rifle, seems very accurate if you find ammo that it likes.
 
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