My TPH is an American made stainless from InterArms in what looks like near NIB shape! I had read about severe jamming in the InterArms American made Stainless 22lr TPH's and, was, therefore really worried when the gun jammed (stovepiped) at least once every mag of 6 rds when using Federal "Hi Velocity" LRN Champion's. I then tried CCI Mini-Max's FMJ with NO failures over 200 rds! I then tried Remington's LRN Thunderbolts with NO failures over 200 rds. Went back the Federal "Hi Velocity" Champions to make sure that the gun didn't just need breaking in and got jam city again! Even tho the Federal Champions are called "Hi Velocity", I could feel a MUCH lighter recoil from them than the other two. So much for their "Hi Velocity" description! I then shot some more CCI's and Thunderbolts without failure, but had to stop due to severe Walther bite! I'm glad that mine is NOT a Jam-O-MAtic and functions well with hotter ammo!
Took my newly acquired TPH 22 to the range.
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While I agree that you most likely do need a higher velocity cartridge for certain .22 firearms, my guess might be the bullet ogive.
I had a similar issue with Remington HV in my G22. Every now and then, the bullet would get hung up between the feed ramp and the top of the chamber area.
I then switched to Federal SV which have a more pronounced taper to the bullet's tip, and have yet to have any issues with feeding in my G22.
FWIW,
Jeff
I had a similar issue with Remington HV in my G22. Every now and then, the bullet would get hung up between the feed ramp and the top of the chamber area.
I then switched to Federal SV which have a more pronounced taper to the bullet's tip, and have yet to have any issues with feeding in my G22.
FWIW,
Jeff
Folks, I appreciate your opinions and input to the Forum. We need more folks participating on the Forum. Having said that, I must respectfully disagree with both opinions given about the problem being the bullet's shape. That's NOT the problem at all! Firstly, the ammo that doesn't work (Federal Hi Velocity Champions), has the same bullet in it (lead, same shape and weight) as the Remington Thunderbolts which work without failure. Secondly, as I stated in the original post, THE FELT RECOIL FROM THE FEDERAL CHAMPION HI VELOCITY IS CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN FROM THE OTHER TWO CARTRIDGE TYPES/MANUFACTURERS! And, thirdly, I experienced "stovepiping" from the Federal Champions that are an indication of cartridges that are not powerful enough to cycle the slide quickly enough to fully eject the spent brass, assuming that the extractor and ejector are working properly. They, obviously, are or the other hotter ammo wouldn't perform flawlessly.
I appreciate the feedback and participation in the Forum, but, folks, your theory is not correct in this case - it's cartridge POWER that counts, not SIZE! Ha!!!
I appreciate the feedback and participation in the Forum, but, folks, your theory is not correct in this case - it's cartridge POWER that counts, not SIZE! Ha!!!
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So you're saying that Federal makes bullets for Remington, or vice versa?
Interesting. I beg to differ.
The bullets may be virtually identical in appearance, but I doubt they are the same. While the smaller ammunition producers do use components from other companies, the big companies, and Federal and Remington are two of the biggest out there, roll their own, so to speak, from their own components.
Again, I don't doubt at all that power can be a significant factor in a .22's reliability, and it may the primary/only factor in your weapon's functioning. I've seen that with my new SIG Mosquito first hand. All I'm saying is that with some .22 weapons, my G22 being among them, the taper to certain .22 bullets seems to make feeding much more reliable than with other ammo, particularly when a long feed ramp is involved.
That's all. Not a matter of being right or wrong. Just providing information to help out others. Nothing more; nothing less.
Regards,
Jeff
Interesting. I beg to differ.
The bullets may be virtually identical in appearance, but I doubt they are the same. While the smaller ammunition producers do use components from other companies, the big companies, and Federal and Remington are two of the biggest out there, roll their own, so to speak, from their own components.
Again, I don't doubt at all that power can be a significant factor in a .22's reliability, and it may the primary/only factor in your weapon's functioning. I've seen that with my new SIG Mosquito first hand. All I'm saying is that with some .22 weapons, my G22 being among them, the taper to certain .22 bullets seems to make feeding much more reliable than with other ammo, particularly when a long feed ramp is involved.
That's all. Not a matter of being right or wrong. Just providing information to help out others. Nothing more; nothing less.
Regards,
Jeff
Jeff, did you pull bullets out of the Remington Thunderbolts and Federal Champions and measure and weight the bullets so that you could say with certainty that they're not the same? Or is that just your logic because you think that each manufacturer "rolls their own" and thus cannot be the same! Jeff, buy some Thunderbolts and Champions and measure and weigh them - then you'll be able to "share" correct info. with the Forum! I know the answer, do you?
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I don't have either of those particular cartridges, otherwise I would be happy to do that.
Regarding the ones I do have, no pulling is necessary, since they are clearly different from one another just from a casual observation.
Perhaps you could do some research - call both companies and ask them where they obtain their bullets for their respective .22 loads, and then share the answers with the board.
-Jeff
Regarding the ones I do have, no pulling is necessary, since they are clearly different from one another just from a casual observation.
Perhaps you could do some research - call both companies and ask them where they obtain their bullets for their respective .22 loads, and then share the answers with the board.
-Jeff
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I hate to sound dumb but, Im new to Walther. What does the TPH stand for?
Which TPH 22LR are worth the most? How can I tell the German made ones?
Sorry for all the questions
Which TPH 22LR are worth the most? How can I tell the German made ones?
Sorry for all the questions
To Jeff: I repeat, "I know the answer!" It's in my original post! By the way, did I ask for your opinion in my original post? I don't think I did, nor do I now!
To Walthertph: The TPH are initials of German words that loosely translate into "pocket pistol." The German made TPH's are blued and worth well over $1000 while the American made are stainless steel and are worth about 1/2 the German gun's value. The German TPH's have a wonderful reputation for reliabilty versus the American made version's reputation for being a jam-o-matic! That's why I, happily, wrote the original post about my American made gun being ammo sensative and NOT being a jam-o-matic when using the right ammo - Horray!!!!!!
To Walthertph: The TPH are initials of German words that loosely translate into "pocket pistol." The German made TPH's are blued and worth well over $1000 while the American made are stainless steel and are worth about 1/2 the German gun's value. The German TPH's have a wonderful reputation for reliabilty versus the American made version's reputation for being a jam-o-matic! That's why I, happily, wrote the original post about my American made gun being ammo sensative and NOT being a jam-o-matic when using the right ammo - Horray!!!!!!
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I'm so sorry for trying to offer advice, even though you did post on a forum for that very purpose.
I'll make sure to never again offer my advice to someone so learned and intelligent.
-Jeff
I'll make sure to never again offer my advice to someone so learned and intelligent.
-Jeff
I have owned my stanless [American] THP for over ten years. During that time I have noted the following:
1. No Federal ammo, no matter what type, will reliably function in the action.
2. Remington Vipers and Yellow Jackets function reliably but I can recall a couple of FTFs
3. CCI Stingers and QuikShock have fired and functioned with 100% reliability
4. While this gun has been bad-mouthed on several forums, the only problem I have had is finding spare magazines.
1. No Federal ammo, no matter what type, will reliably function in the action.
2. Remington Vipers and Yellow Jackets function reliably but I can recall a couple of FTFs
3. CCI Stingers and QuikShock have fired and functioned with 100% reliability
4. While this gun has been bad-mouthed on several forums, the only problem I have had is finding spare magazines.
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