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I should clarify- it’s almost brand new (I’ve put around 100 or so rounds through it). Also replaced the stock rod/spring with an aftermarket captured rod/spring assembly from Galloway Precision) after the 1st range trip)
 

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Ok just went to pick up a new piece at the local gun shop after waiting 10 days. We started talking about the P22 I bought new there almost 2 weeks ago. I found out that what I have is a P22 CA, not a Q. I guess the Q and the QD never made the California list so now I know.
 

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Just got back from 3rd range trip with it.

Here’s the history so far (to the best of my memory):

1st trip: Flawless! (brand new, never fired, cleaned and lubed before shooting): 50 or so CCI 40gr Polymer coated rounds. Went home, cleaned/lubed weapon.

2nd trip: Some issues. 50 or so CCI 40gr Polymer coated rounds (red, white, and blue tips) 3 FTFire (tried twice ea. then discarded round/did not inspect strike points), 1 FTFire: round stuck in chamber- needed to push out with rod), 1 FTE stovepipe. 2 FTE. Went home, cleaned/lubed paying extra attention to using brass brush to clean ramp, chamber, barrel. Hoppes #9 barrel cleaner used.

3rd trip (today): Fewer issues. 50 Remington Golden Bullets 40gr. Wow this ammo likes to puff the smoke! 2 FTFire, 1 FTE stuck in barrel (had to use rod to push out), 1 FTE stovepipe. Really focused on making sure not to limp wrist or interfere with the slide this session, by the way.

Next trip: CCI Minimags 40gr

Love the gun by the way! Hopefully the Minimags are the solution.

1st pic is of an FTE.
2nd pic is of the stuck, fired round (FTE)

Will do the drop in chamber by hand test tonight.
 

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The pistol you have is a Q model. California considers the regular P22 an assault firearm due to the removable barrel nut which allows a thread adapter to be added and then a suppressor. In order to overcome this Walther installs a barrel nut with no wrench lands and with something similar to red loctite. In other words a locked on barrel nut that can't be removed. Other than that it is the same as any other P22. 1917
 

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The fact that you are having to manually shove rounds out of the chamber would typically mean the chamber is dirty, there is something wrong with that particular run of ammo (rare) or there is a problem in the machining of the chamber (rare on this pistol). Limp wristing will cause a pistol to not eject a round which might end up as a jamb, a spent case stuck at an angle or caught between the slide and chamber or a stovepipe or simply shove the empty case back into the chamber....but it won't cause a stuck case that has to be pried out. 1917
 

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Give the chamber a really good cleaning with some solvent and a wire cleaning brush and then do the drop test (no not the gun). With the slide off, with the gun pointing down, drop a round in the chamber. It should under it own weight, slide right in. Then point the gun up and it should fall right out. If it doesn’t, keep cleaning.

I too installed the Precision captured spring, and it works quite well and much easier to assemble than with the stock spring.
 

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Give the chamber a really good cleaning with some solvent and a wire cleaning brush and then do the drop test (no not the gun). With the slide off, with the gun pointing down, drop a round in the chamber. It should under it own weight, slide right in. Then point the gun up and it should fall right out. If it doesn’t, keep cleaning.

I too installed the Precision captured spring, and it works quite well and much easier to assemble than with the stock spring.
I have the installed captured spring as well. Installed it after the first range trip.
Also, I’ve been working with 1911 on this “issue” via PM’s so I’ve been troubleshooting by doing the same things you suggested above. I wish I would have kept it all here so everyone can follow if they want. The latest check will taking a good photo of the inside of the barrel and the chamber as well. I’m getting some strange consistent visual marks on the spent casings that are not ejecting and getting “stuck” in the barrel. The ejected spent casing do not have these same marks. I can copy and paste and post here what I’ve been pm’ing 1911 (pics as well) if people are interested. Thanks for your feedback and advice!

PS - my lunch range session yesterday went flawless. 200 thru it with no issues. The RO even let me ammo dump a few mags (after he did one). Dumping the P22 is actually quite a joy - wish I had video of it to share. What’s awesome is the RO loves the pistol and now the other employees their are intrigued as well. All over a little .22 :)
 

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Although the pictures furnished as of to date are not really clear I am seeing something I've never seen before on P22 spent cases. I also note that there have been several threads here recently regarding this issue on new pistols. What I am seeing on the photos furnished is a ring around more or less the center of the spent case. It appears some of the rounds are expanding the brass, something like a high annular ring of metal has been left in the chamber which is holding an expanded spent case in place causing it not to be extracted. Even with the poorly lit and not well focused photo it appears the single indentation is large enough to be felt with a thumbnail.

Thirdflat is going to furnish better photos and try to have a close look at the machining inside of the chamber. From my limited experience Walther usually makes good barrels. I've certainly never had any issues nor really read of any over the past 15 years. Rounds will drop into his chamber....some will fire and eject, those don't show the annular ring on the case. The brass that hangs up has a ring indentation into the spent case. Apparently the brass on some rounds is expanding more than on others and the ones that are expanding are hanging up. They are then having to be driven or pried out of the chamber.

More on this as info become available. In the meantime I will try to put up some photos of what a P22 chamber should look like and what spent brass looks like after extraction and ejection. This one might need a new barrel. 1917
 

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Above are some photos of some rounds I just fired in a suppressed 3.4" barrel QD. The one on the left is a CCI Quiet and will not cycle the slide, the next four are CCI Mini Mags, then a HP Copper plated Federal of some variety and the last one on the right is a Remington Golden Bullet, 36 gr. The Rem comes with some type of light decorative ring straight out of the box. As you can see there are no scratches of any note and certainly no annular rings on the case.

I am in the process of watching Alabama whoop up on Georgia at present. 200 photos of the chamber with an I Phone....no good. 400 with a high end camera...no good. Light, light, light....very difficult to light properly. The depth of field is very, very shallow bud does show the texture of the chamber but in very narrow slices. The chamber looks polished to the naked eye, it is an old one with 40K or 50K or so rounds through it. The chamber is good, the rifling still looks new...there is some erosion at the area where the case ends. 1917
 

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Same for some lines I see on the right side of the chamber. I believe you said your case marks align with the firing pin mark which means they are on the top of the chamber. Yepper, I can get no better photo with an I Phone. The depth of field with the real camera is a bit too shallow at present. I'll work on it more later. Looks like Georgia came to play. 1917
 

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See if you can get a photo of the top of the chamber. I have a barrel off a pistol and it is still hard to get the light right. Phone cameras are hard to hold one handed and focus too. 1917
 

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One thing you might try when you get chance is inspect each round before firing. Then manually load the round without using the mag and then inspect the spent cases, especially any that hang up. That will rule out the mag and feeding into the chamber as causes of the rings. The marks are not normal nor are cases being stuck inside of a clean chamber. I hope the other thread posters with similar complaints of the new QD are looking at this. 1917
 

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Mini Mag fired in my QD. Firing pin mark up and small scratches from banging into the extractor. No rings or scratches along the body of the spent case.



Tape on the barrel to protect a lens that costs what 10 or 15 of these barrels cost....but, it is still very, very difficult to get a good picture. I like a well lit, very sharp photo that illustrates what I am trying to show...Haven't gotten it....700 or 800 photos with I Phone and digital mirrorless... I need a tripod and macro light for my macro lens....then I'd get it. Bt I haven't given up yet. Had to finish watching Bama whoop Georgia....but what a game. That one could have gone either way. Georgia's ranking won't be hurt. My macro photos which I haven't posted show very, very fine annular rings under high magnification. I can't see them with the naked eye and the chamber appears so smooth it looks polished. 1917
 

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See if you can get a photo of the top of the chamber. I have a barrel off a pistol and it is still hard to get the light right. Phone cameras are hard to hold one handed and focus too. 1917
I have the attached barrel (CA) version. Almost impossible to get a pic of the top section of the chamber. Stupid question: does the firing pin strike the rim @ 12o’clock?
 

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One thing you might try when you get chance is inspect each round before firing. Then manually load the round without using the mag and then inspect the spent cases, especially any that hang up. That will rule out the mag and feeding into the chamber as causes of the rings. The marks are not normal nor are cases being stuck inside of a clean chamber. I hope the other thread posters with similar complaints of the new QD are looking at this. 1917
I’m going to the range tomorrow morning- I’ll try to manually load the ammo, shoot it, and inspect the casings.
 
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