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"He (Carl Walther) designed and patented the world's first fixed-barrel semi-automatic pistol in the early 1900's."

--Walther Arms, Inc.'s 2019 product catalog

(A) True

(B) False

(C) Don't know

(D) a No-Brainer

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False.


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false.

Unless you consider 1938 to be early 1900s.
 

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Have to go with Gonzo and 1942bull on this and say, False.

Walther is credited with developing the first 'usable' semi-auto pistol which doesn't necessarily mean that it was the first fixed barrel semiauto.
 

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I said false because, assuming one wanted a slide operated semi-automatic, then Browning beat Walther by seven years. And besides, Carl Walther didn’t design it, Fritz did.


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Walther catalog has True for the combination fixed barrel and blowback according to the Walther catalog PPK page.
But earlier, the
Salvator Dormus 8 mm semi auto
Patent in 1891. Fixed barrel but may not be a blowback action.
 

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Walther catalog has True for the combination fixed barrel and blowback according to the Walther catalog PPK page.

But earlier, the

Salvator Dormus 8 mm semi auto

Patent in 1891. Fixed barrel but may not be a blowback action.
The Dormus was not slide operated. But it was the first semi automatic.


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How did the bolt operate?
Delayed blowback bolt action. Gun Jesus did a video on it. Not sure about posting external links on the forum, a simple search on the Utoob will find it.


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Is the 'fixed barrel' the sticking point here, since the blowback Brownings weren't pinned in place...tho' they didn't move when the gun cycled.
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The sticking point was the stated language of the claim in the Walther 2019 catalog.
Two charateristics fixed barrel and blowback.

Mauser had the 1909 blowback but I could not find if it was a fixed barrel too.
 

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Is the 'fixed barrel' the sticking point here, since the blowback Brownings weren't pinned in place...tho' they didn't move when the gun cycled.
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The Browning Models 1899 and 1900 were fixed-barrel blowback semi-autos, and were immensely successful. At least 100,000 had been produced and sold before any Walther pistol of consequence ever appeared.

In its catalog Walther touts the "fixed barrel" as a feature conducive to accuracy, but why blowback is imagined to be an advantage is unexplained. Mauser's Model 1896 and DWM's 1900 Parabellum both had fixed barrels, and much more sophisticated locking systems to boot. By comparison the early Walthers were primitive.

Well, I guess there's always James Bond....

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Credited by whom?

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Rice. Matt (2011). "Walther celebrates 125th anniversary". Shooting Industry. 56 (8): 36—37.

"Carl Walther's father, August Theodor Albert Walther, was a brass and iron caster. His mother, Rosalie Wilhelmine Amalie Pistor, came from the gunsmith family of Pistor, and was the daughter of William Pistor. Carl Walther studied under gunsmith Willibald Barthelmes, and later under Albin Schneider. He worked for the Jopp company in Zella-Mehlis, making Mauser rifles. In the fall of 1886 he opened his own gunshop in Zella-Mehlis and soon hired additional workmen to meet the demand for the sporting rifles he made. In 1888, he married Minna Georgine Pickert, the daughter of the revolver manufacturer Christian Friedrich Pickert, and they had five sons.[1] In 1903, after three of his sons entered the firm, the focus turned to the production of pistols.[2] In 1908 Carl Walther together with Fritz Walther, his eldest son, designed and produced the first usable German self-loading pistol.[3] Fritz Walther took over the management of the firm after his father's death in 1915."
 

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So according to the regurgitations of this Matt Rice (whoever he is), the Mauser C96 and the Luger were not "usable" German self-loading pistols?

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In Walther's handgun catalog five years ago the model 1 wasn't mentioned as the first usable German self-loading pistol (like Marr Rice did) but as the world's first practical self-loading pistol. The folks at Walther Arms were wrong about the year too. It was 1910.

But the big surprise is the early development activity of Fritz Walther in 1886, shortly before his birth.

Times and facts are changing...

 

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In Walther's handgun catalog five years ago the model 1 wasn't mentioned as the first usable German self-loading pistol (like Marr Rice did) but as the world's first practical self-loading pistol. The folks at Walther Arms were wrong about the year too. It was 1910.

But the big surprise is the early development activity of Fritz Walther in 1886, shortly before his birth.

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Well, Fritz apparently was as precocious as his successors are inventive in ways to extoll their newly-acquired heritage.

By 1910 an impractical non-German named John Browning had already designed a half-dozen semi-auto pistols that would commercially eclipse all the Walthers ever made.

I should have added a fifth choice in Post #1 above: (e) Just Plain Silly.

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John Moses Browning
1911 still popular and multiple manufactures producing.
Colt 1911 .45 ACP
Colt 1903 .32 ACP
Colt 1908. .380 ACP
Designer of the pistols and ammo.
.45 ACP cartridge designed in 1904 1905.
 
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