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I know Taurus is a 3rd tier manufacturer but my buddy's father bought The Judge at a gun show and after seeing the demo video online at their site it looks bad arse. It is a revolver that also accomodates shotgun shells .410 I think. They are marketing it as a vehicle defense weapon (protection during a car-jacking). The rifled barrel spreads the shot sooner than a traditional shotgun and keeps it tighter

Anyone own one of these, I'm thinking about a second gun purchase. My dad says go with a 12 gauge for home defense (he's not keen on my owning a pistol) but I want to minimize damage to my home -- I know, I know, but I'm not a fan of lawsuits, especially against the poor family of some scumbag.

Thoughts?
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You know, I saw one of these about a week ago at a shop. I saw a test target showing the .410 pattern. I was kinda impressed at the idea and could see the benefits in this gun. I am not sold, however, on a 7-10 yard encounter with this gun. I see where they promote loading the first 2 cylinders with .410 and the last three with .45, but I am not convinced that a .410 #4 shot will adequately penetrate and do enough damage at 7-10 yards. Now at 7-10 feet like there car jacking scenario, I can see this do severe damage.

I think people are really impressed that the center of the shot pattern at close range is blown off the target, but I don't know if they correlate that penetration or not. I personally don't. I don't think even at 7 feet that you would have pellets going 12" deep. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

On another website I found by simply doing a search for "taurus judge" there is man who posts a picture showing the pattern of 0000 buckshot in the .410. It shows it at 7 yards ... if you are aiming at the guys head, you are likely going to miss with the shot traveling out so far from center. By that post, the only shot I can see you carrying and having the most reliable pattern for all situations is a #4-7 and that goes back to my original concern of penetration.

All in all, I can see the allure of this gun and I don't want to come off as critical, but I also hope that people don't see this gun as being the end all gun since it "has the best of both worlds of a shotgun and large cal pistol."

For me the Judge is still Out ... pardon the pun.
 

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Here is the website ... I apologize it was 000 buck not 0000. You can watch the video and see very nice pics.

http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-UltraLiteJudge.htm

Like I posted earlier 7-10 yards aiming high and you could miss your target with that load. I guess thats where you fire 4 times ... 2 just to get rid of your .410 loads and then 2 of your longer range effective .45's.
 

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The rifled barrel spreads the shot sooner than a traditional shotgun and keeps it tighter
This claim makes absolutely no sense. Anyone who has undergone high school physics should remember centripetal force. The fact that the rifling makes the shot spin will make the pattern looser once it exits the barrel than if it was a smoothbore.

I wouldn't carry one, personally. A .410 shell is going to hurt but I don' feel that confident that it will stop an attacker, and I wouldn't want to have to go through two of those to get to a serious round like a .45 colt.
 

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I bought a Judge knowing nothing about it when they first came out. I hate to admit that I was first attracted to the gun based on it's looks as in "what the heck is that?". It has a sort of retro "Streets of Fire" thing going on, and mine was in stainless which made it a very pretty gun. Plain and simple it was an impulse buy followed by some buyer's remorse.

I never shot the gun. I soon realized that it was a gun that, as they say, solved a problem that didn't exist, at least not for me. My research, unfortunately after the fact, was that in most applications it would be a very limited self-defense gun with accuracy issues in most situations where it might be effective. It would never be my choice as a self-defense gun, and although I own many (if not most) guns just for the pleasure of shooting them, this added two new calibers that I would have to keep in my inventory, and .45LC is not cheap.

So, I decided to part with the gun before I shot it thereby keeping the value higher. I used it on a trade and ended up getting credit for almost exactly what I paid for it. I had an excellent deal with the purchase back before anyone knew what it was, and since then the gun has become quite hot with prices having jumped considerably most places where I have seen them in my area, if you can find them.

Overall, .410 seems to be a questionable defense round with accuracy issues with the loads that are effective. The .45LC has issues as well. The cylinder chamber is lengthened for the shotshells (2.75" and 3" versions) which places the bullet a good distance away from the forcing cone. I've heard some reports of the .45LC keyholing beyond close-in distances, and other reports of marginally acceptable accuracy. If I want to shoot the .45LC there are better choices.

Do I have any pangs of regret selling it? Not really, except that it's a cool looking gun. Would I buy one used if I found one at a great price some time down the road when the hype is over and the market is full of guns sold by guys like me wondering what they were thinking? Probably. I do have a box of .45LC to use up :eek:

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H&R had a similar concept, as I recall, at one time, though it had a much-longer barrel and offered (I think) a single shot. It was advertised as a boot gun, good for killing snakes. And if you are walking in the weeds or the rocks and need snake protection, the Taurus model might well come in handy. I'm not sure that I'd trust my life to it in the high-stakes game of self-defense, however. It would fall into the better-than-no-gun-at-all category.
 

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H&R had a similar concept, as I recall, at one time, though it had a much-longer barrel and offered (I think) a single shot. It was advertised as a boot gun, good for killing snakes. And if you are walking in the weeds or the rocks and need snake protection, the Taurus model might well come in handy. I'm not sure that I'd trust my life to it in the high-stakes game of self-defense, however. It would fall into the better-than-no-gun-at-all category.
Searcher, that seems to be the conclusion of many as to this gun, a good snake killer.

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Searcher, that seems to be the conclusion of many as to this gun, a good snake killer.

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Understand that there are a lot of snakes out there who require a good thumping from time to time, with this or something like it. Some of the snakes slither; some of them get from one spot to another in a bit more upright fashion. :)
 

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Understand that there are a lot of snakes out there who require a good thumping from time to time, with this or something like it. Some of the snakes slither; some of them get from one spot to another in a bit more upright fashion. :)
Yup, for some folks a good snake gun is a great thing. Unfortunately for me most of the snakes around here have two legs.

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thank you all for the quick feedback.

the concept didnt seem practical, especially if you have your p99 close by :)

but it did inspire. when I do purchase my next defensive weapon I'll go for the traditional shot gun

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...when I do purchase my next defensive weapon I'll go for the traditional shot gun

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I'd take a 000 12 gauge shotgun with 3 shots over a 5 shot 000 .410 anyday of the week. Of course, you aren't exactly going to conceal that 12 gauge, but I have always been taught that handguns are for buying time to get to your real guns ...
 

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Guys guys guys -- you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to shotguns. Put another way, there are shotguns ... and then there are SHOTGUNS. Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

The questions you've got to ask yourself:

1. Do you feel lucky?
2. Would you want anything else if you were involved in a true firefight?
3. How is patrol officer supposed to cope with this?
 

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Now that's wicked!

And I though that my Saiga was something, a magazine fed AK platform shotgun.

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Casino_Royale Anyone own one of these said:
JMOFO:

I think you mean you are not a fan of lawsuits "especially brought against YOU by the poor family of some scumbag"?

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The Judge is a great gun it it's context, and I would recommend it to anyone under the right circumstances.

It is really designed to be used from/at a vehicle. The 7 to 10 foot range of the rifled .410 absolutely tears up anything playing at your windows without any fear of "pass through" shots killing innocent bystanders (as can be a concern for faster loads at close distances-- especially with all of the +p and +p+, and ball loads people keep in their guns.

For a gun to stay in quick reach in your vehical (so you're not trying to awkwardly pull your CCW while buckled into a car), I'd say it's among the most effective you can pick up. The Buckshot round gives you the added bonus of firing at a small distance, but the point is to STOP and attacker, not necessarily to kill them, and for that I recommend the Judge. It's a pleasure to own, IMHO.
 
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