[ZBoater]

I realize this is a Walther forum, and no, I am not trolling. I want some candid and honest feedback from fellow Walther owners.

First of all, I LOVE my P99C. I love how it shoots, and I love how it carries. My only two pet peeves with it are low ammo capacity with standard mags (10 rounds), and a little feeling of it being top heavy. This was, however, the first gun I ever carried that did nothave a manual safety, which for me was a pretty big step.

I handled a Glock 19 at the gun show (and I was a previous G22 owner), and always liked Glocks, but traded my G22 and never got another one because of the lack of manual safety and decocker. I have since developed more of a comfort level carrying with the safety off (or no safety), and the G19 with its 15 round capacity just called my name. So, I am switching my daily CCW.

Any comments or tips or suggestions for CCW carrying the G19? I believe in carrying the weapon loaded, with a round in the chamber and safety off (in the P99C and G19 case, no manual safety). I have come to believe that a good quality holster that covers the trigger guard will provide adequate safety while carrying - if the gun ever comes out of that holster in haste, it is because it is going to be fired shortly thereafter. I am still a little apprehensive about a loaded Glock - I still cling to a little bit of my previous belief that the longer trigger pull of a decocked P99C give me an "extra" margin of safety. On the flip side, although I would probably never need more than 2-3 rounds, the extra 5 rounds in the G19 somehow make me feel better. I subscribe to the "Tim Allen" school of ammo carrying - the more the merrier. Comments?

 

[Wagemage]

Get a full sized magazine for the walther with the grip extension. You get the compact length and a higher magazine capacity. Just my two cents. If you want to carry a G 19 though, because of the size I would recommend the 4 or 8 oclock position depending on what you dominate hand is.
Wage out

 

[Jake Starr]

The 19 is a tad taller and heavier then the 99c?the extra 5 rounds will also add to the weight but no big deal. If you only plan on carrying one mag then those five may be of some consequence. Some here on this board have switched from Glock to Walther for ergonomic reason and the SA version. All I know is that my 99c is a great shooter and it is going anywhere?buy the Glock and keep the Walter. Then try them out for yourself and sell the one you don?t like?.but my advice to you is ?never sell a Walther.?

 

[RickJZ]

since you are already used to Walther P99c, you may want to consider getting a standard size P99 to carry (it is similar in size to the Glock 19).

 

[ZBoater]

This is great advice, thanks guys! I did get two sleeves from a guy in germany to put on the 15rd mags for the P99. We'll see how they feel when they come in. I am hoping that the extra weight of the 5 rounds will also help balance that odd feeling I get of the P99C being a bit top heavy.

There is only so much one can do handling the guns in the store. I for one need an "extended" test to be sure. If the full size P99 and G19 are similar in size, then that is another option I will consider. I thought the P99 would be similar to the G17 (full size Glock).

And my P99C will be joining my H&K USPc as my "forever" guns. I boxed up my Beretta 9000s to trade for the G19, but at the last minute changed my mind and bought the G19 outright. I have a hard time letting go of guns, especially if I like them.

I'm curious - what would be the advantages (besides personal preference or comfort) of carrying at the 4 oclock position vs. the 2 oclock position?

 

[ZBoater]

Interesting numbers, at least on paper, for the 9mm models. A P99 may be in my very near future!!!!

G19, G17, P99C, P99

Length (slide)
6.85 in., 7.32 in., 6.6 in., 7.1 in.

Height
5.00 in., 5.43 in., 4.3 in., 5.3 in.

Width
1.18 in., 1.18 in., 1.3 in., 1.3 in.

Barrel length
4.02 in., 4.49 in., 3.5 in., 4.0 in.

Weight
20.99 oz., 22.04 oz., 18.7 oz., 21.2 oz.

 

[Jake Starr]

I can settle it for you. Do as I did, get a full size P99 and a Compact...you won't be sorry.

 

[PX15]

Yep..

Get 'em both.

Add the 16rd S&W mag if you'd like an extra round. (Never can have too many "extra" rounds)

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

 

[ShipWreck]

Measurements are one thing on paper. But if U physically compare the P99 fullsize and a Glock 19 - it won't be much different.

 

[ZBoater]

Well, I got the sleeves to use the 15 round magazines on the P99C...

Now THAT is what I'm talking about!!!

Looking at the pic above (of the P99 and P99C), imagine the P99C slide with the P99 handle - that's what you end up with. They are plastic sleeves that match the color and texture of the P99C grip, and I got the best of both worlds, and even the weight distribution doesn't feel top heavy anymore.

I can't wait to take them both out to the range and see how they feel back to back (P99C with extended mag and G19).

 

[ZBoater]

Measurements are one thing on paper. But if U physically compare the P99 fullsize and a Glock 19 - it won't be much different.

Yeah, but even from those measurements they are almost the same, so I would think they will feel almost identical. I didn't want to go with the subcompact (baby Glock) as that was a little too small for my taste.

I may look into the P99C. Although now that I spent $600 on a G19 (with Glock Night sights) I can't see spending another bundle for a P99, and now even less that I got the sleeves to use the P99 mags in the P99C.

Decisions - I am waiting on getting my hands on the Beretta PX4 subcompact and see how that looks/feels. But a P99 may follow me home, as before I thought it too big to CCW comfortably. We'll see what the budget (and the wife) have to say about that!!!

 

[ShipWreck]

I carry my P99c all the time. I also have a USP compact - but the fullsize P99 is almost the same size. If I wanted to carry the USPc with the 3 /12" barrel, I may as well carry the P99. The grips are the same sizes.

 

[Wagemage]

zboater, you paid 600 for a G19 with nightsights?? I understand supporting a local gun shop, but you got ripped off to the tune to about 100$'s. And that is factoring in the night sights. Not to mention that the money was spent on a glock, and in my opinion that is a rip, but like I said, that's my opinion. But you definately could have gotten a better price on the glock if you shopped around a bit.
Wage out.

 

[ShipWreck]

I don't know - around here, a Glock w/o N/S is $499. Add the night sights cost - he only paid maybe $40-$60 too much.

 

[ZBoater]

I don't know - around here, a Glock w/o N/S is $499. Add the night sights cost - he only paid maybe $40-$60 too much.

Plus don't forget the tax!

I don't mind paying an extra 5-10% to support my local gun shop. He takes good care of me, I've traded a lot of guns with him. If the difference had been $100 or more, I would have told him. TopGlock has the cheapest prices on the internet, and they had the G19 w/o NS for 457 + 18 shipping + 25 FFL fee = $500.

I carried the P99C with the extended mag/sleeve today (IWB, 2 oclock), and the extra inch was not much of a burden. I think I can get used to it, and having the choice of going smaller with the 10rd mag is nice.

The gunshow will be around these parts in a couple of months - I may go scouting for a good deal on a P99.

 

[Wagemage]

10% over is not too bad. But I am notorious for searching out a good deal. Plus I think I was figuring the price with a LE discount. Some of the stores in vegas buy Glocks in large numbers for LE because the police department's are having a hard time keeping up with Las Vegas' growth. And with all the cadets graduating from the academy, the prices for glocks tends to be really competitve here in town.

I too will support most local gun stores except when I feel they cheat their customers. There are a few ranges in town that won't let you bring your own ammo so they can charge you extra for their approved ammo. IE frangibles or no lead ammo.

Now the stores in Utah didn't care, and if you bought a gun from them they would give you a 6 month range membership. I knew a few people who would trade in and buy just for the range membership. That is service for ya. But like I said, with the growth the stores here can stay in business and throw customer service out the window. Oh well, That is just my soap box.

Wage out

 

[ZBoater]

Just came back from a local gun shop that just opened. It is like a Walmart of gunshops - HUGE selection, indoor range, fantastic. I went to check out the range, put in some practice, but inevitably gravitated towards the gun cases and was checking out the Glock 26 (baby Glock, 9mm). I had stayed away from it because I thought it was too small, but appearances can be deceiving. THAT was what I should have compared the P99C to, not the G19. Here is the paper comparison:

P99C, G27

Length (slide)
6.6 in., 6.29 in.

Height
4.3 in., 4.17 in.

Width
1.3 in., 1.25 in.

Barrel length
3.5 in., 3.46 in.

Weight
18.7 oz., 19.3 oz.

They are virtually identical (The G26 being a tad shorter). The G26 also has a little bit of that "top heavy" feeling with the short (10 rd) mags. I took one out for a spin, and it shoots great. I was able to shoot it side by side with the P99C, and the felt recoil on both was the same. I always loved how the P99C felt like a "big gun" in the recoil department, and the G26 felt the same way to me. The trigger was a bit different (a little shorter on the G26).

The G26 does NOT have an accessory rail, where the P99C has a standard one (that fits the Insight X2 light/laser combo). The G29 has that Lasermax option ($300!) that replaces the rod inside the gun with a laser, which is kinda cool, but no easy way to put on a tac light. I guess being a CCW the tac light is not that important, but I always fitted my P99C with the X2 when it did nightstand duty.

The G26 takes both the G19 and G17 mags (15rd and 17rd) and the same type of sleeves I got from the guy in Germany for the P99C are available (but a lot more common) for the G26. I guess the aftermarket for Glocks is a lot bigger, which provides a lot of options for holsters, add-ons, etc.

I decided to trade in my Beretta 9000S for a G26. I'll be doing an "extended" CCW test to see which one fits best, but I suspect the G26 will work best everywhere I used the P99C (mostly wearing shorts). I feel like I am being seduced by the dark side of the force....