[pn1938]

Gun Broker #786876306 by Georgia Gun Store. I have inquired about this Walther TPH having a steel frame as I believe the frame production of the Ulm produced TPH's in 22lr are alloy frame only.
The seller insists the frame is steel, if so this is really a collectible Walther.
This is an Ulm produced TPH with eagle & N proof marks, Made in Germany imported by Interarms. Proofed IA I think.
Thoughts?

 

[153]

Looks like a standard TPH, not a steel frame ... nice pistol!

 

[pilkguns]

looks like an aluminum frame to me too

 

[imaoldfart]

Ask the seller to field strip it and see if a magnet will stick to the frame.

 

[pn1938]

The seller states that he does not have the Walther TPH on hand at this time. And thank you for your replys as I also believe the frame in question is an alloy.
At least the one I own is.

 

[MGMike]

The seller states that he does not have the Walther TPH on hand at this time. ....

Then how can he "insist" that it's steel?

M

 

[pn1938]

I suspect the seller has had contact with one or more Ranger/Black Creek produced Walther TPH's which have the steel frames. Probably had less or no contact with a ULM model. On his listing you will note he has enforced his answer to my question, "This is a Steel Frame Gun."
His listing states that the pistol is not available for viewing. It is my though that the seller does not have actual contact with the pistol. This may be an error on my part.

 

[BlitzPig]

I have alarm bells going off about that listing.

 

[halfmoonclip]

Having not opened the listing, what are the arrangements for return?
Moon

 

[pn1938]

As is, No exchange or refund. I may be reading the instructions incorrectly, however, for this sale requires a credit card only. Also another point I am not certain on, but if the frame is not steel, does that fact make the sale a case of a misleading listing that may require a full refund via Gun Broker rules?

 

[MGMike]

As is, No exchange or refund. I may be reading the instructions incorrectly, however, for this sale requires a credit card only. Also another point I am not certain on, but if the frame is not steel, does that fact make the sale a case of a misleading listing that may require a full refund via Gun Broker rules?

Either way you would just be buying a ticket to a dispute.

IMO anybody who insists on selling anything on the internet that is "not returnable" does not deserve your patronage. That goes double for an item that is supposedly "rare".

M

 

[hk940]

Why does he not have the gun on hand? As is no returns!
Bail!

 

[hk940]

Steel frame TPH

I just checked on Gun broker it sold for $1061.00.
IIRC the box looks like the one I had in the mid 70's.
The is a picture with some paperwork with Interarms on it.
I got mine when I was on the Police Dept.

At the time the gun could not be imported because it didn't have enough "points" to pass regulations.
Some how Walther got the ATF to allow sales to LE.

All that was needed was the Chief or commanding officer to sign off.

About 6 of us got the Chief to sign off. I think we paid about $150.00.
When the guns arrived they were handed out to us with no paperwork
(this was in NJ and a pistol permit was needed to purchase even for LE.
I sold mine years later for $450.00
The one I had, was an alloy frame.
I used to carry it in a shoulder holster under my shirt and over my vest.
I dispatched a few ground hogs and raccoons with it.

 

[halfmoonclip]

First TPH I ever saw was in the hands of a local FBI agent, acquired the same way.

Wow, what a neat little gun.
Moon

 

[MGMike]

...
Some how Walther got the ATF to allow sales to LE.

All that was needed was the Chief or commanding officer to sign off.

...

So many TPHs were bring promptly re-sold that BATF changed its ruling to authorize import and sale only to a police department, not to individual officers. That slowed things down quite a bit, but BATF could not prevent the department from then disposing of those guns to its individual officers.

Cops are nothing if not resourceful.

M

 

[halfmoonclip]

And gun laws are nothing if not stupid.
There has to have been an absolute crime wave committed with small, expensive German pistols.
Sigh.
Moon