Why put crappy ammo in a great gun?
i agree brass case has become cheap so when I purchase some I usually purchase brass now.My range doesn't care what you use. Every now and then I will purchase steel as I don't have to pick it up at the range and can leave. Makes me lazy. Never used Winchester White box. Appreciate the information on it.I don't feed my P99's a whole lot of steel case, but if it's cheap enough it sometimes ends up in the rotation and generally I haven't had any issues. I've run lots of Tula with no issues. I think I may have picked up some Wolf once or twice as well. I honestly don't pay too much attention to what I purchase because it all seems to run just fine. In fact I've only had one type of factory ammo ever give any of my P99's trouble - and only my P99C.
I had my P99C choke repeatedly on a box of Winchester White Box Steel Case RN brass jacket 9mm. It came as a pack of 150. One of the 50rd trays probably had a failure to extract in every single magazine, some magazines had two. Not easy to remove, either. No tap, rack bang. Had to shove a cleaning rod through the muzzle.
The other two trays of 50 rds seem to run just fine, however.
Haven't bought anymore of the stuff because most of the ranges I shoot at don't allow steel case plus I don't particularly like the stuff anyways. It also doesn't save you that much over buying brass case stuff when it goes on sale.
Post #7 here on this thread seems to prove my point in regards to steel cased ammunition sticking in chambers.Brass casings are what these pistols were designed around. All else being equal, I prefer to use brass cased ammunition.
Aluminum casings are lighter than brass. On some pistols, this can lead to reliability issues in regards to ejection, with the most notorious cases of reliability issues being with CZ-75 pistols years ago when they were known for coming out of the factory with weaker extractor springs. I've put thousands and thousands of rounds of Blazer Aluminum through a 1st gen P99 with no reliability issues, but I did notice that bullet setback can be severe with this ammunition. You could notice the bullet setback just from chambering the cartridge once, so if you are the type that repeatedly chambers and clears the same cartridge, you shouldn't be doing so anyway, but I'd be especially careful with aluminum cased ammunition. This may also be the reason why aluminum cased ammunition seemingly tends to be loaded soft. Aluminum ammunition would be my second choice in regards to ammunition to use in my defensive pistols.
Steel casings are cheaper to produce it seems. We've discussed these rounds on this forum a few times now, and while we cannot pinpoint a reason why this is so, steel cased ammunition widely available today tends to stick in the chambers of firearms. Expect reliability issues in regards to extraction, as well as increased wear on the extractor. Steel cased ammunition would be the last on my list to be used in my defensive pistols. I actively avoid it, regardless of the price, and would only use steel cased ammunition if there was absolutely nothing else available.
Steel cased ammunition seems to run better in more tapered chambers, rather than more straight walled chambers. But I've heard of issues with steel cased ammunition in both. The issues almost always seems to be extraction issues, with a good many of them being not very easy to clear. The only way to know for sure is test it out on your own pistol. I can put up threads both here and on the H&K forum that show some members having issues, and some not, shooting the same brand of steel ammunition through a different example of the same model of pistol.I had my P99C choke repeatedly on a box of Winchester White Box Steel Case RN brass jacket 9mm. It came as a pack of 150. One of the 50rd trays probably had a failure to extract in every single magazine, some magazines had two. Not easy to remove, either. No tap, rack bang. Had to shove a cleaning rod through the muzzle.
The gun can handle it but imo you’re asking for trouble using it. If you had seen all the issues I see working at a range you wouldn’t run steel case through anything but AKs or SKSs. Jams and broken extractors are the most common.to see if the gun can handle such ammo.
You are kind of contradicting yourself by telling me the gun can handle it but don't use it. Right now I use it rather sparingly as brass case ammo is rather cheap and I can reload them after shooting. Ruger says in their manual it is ok to use it in their 11911s and CZ ( which was a commie bloc country) will tell you it is ok to use it in their pistols ( except for 1911s which I did not ask them about; and one other pistol they manufacture). I have seen Glocks digest tons of the stuff without any problems. Some of my friends shoot Wolf a lot in their Glocks without any problems; and i have done so also. You also failed to mention some Soviet style pistols. I know 1911s will not digest it at all very well. When I shoot it in my Ruger 1911 I don't get jams; I get failures to feed as the malfunction. You would have to tell me the pistols that you are seeing the malfunctions in for me to judge which ones will work and which ones are having issues. I don't shoot steel case in my more expensive pistols at all. Just some of the polymers like the Glocks, P 99 and PPQ and not that often anyway.The gun can handle it but imo you’re asking for trouble using it. If you had seen all the issues I see working at a range you wouldn’t run steel case through anything but AKs or SKSs. Jams and broken extractors are the most common.
I can handle getting punched in the head but try to avoid it unless absolutely necessary. What I am saying is that there is no good reason to use steel cased ammo if there is another option. Just my opinion YMMV.You are kind of contradicting yourself by telling me the gun can handle it but don't use it.