if it eats it why not,...I'm a firm believer it's your gun, shoot what you want, paint/color it how you want as well.
RTFM. Walther has already answered your question.I still like my Caniks but decided to go again with Walther after selling my Q sometime ago.
I have a PPQ M2 5-inch coming and am wondering if it's OK to shoot steel-cased ammo, i.e. Tula, given the cheaper cost. I've read mixed opinions on steel vs brass and the possible wear and tear and FTF FTE issues encountered with the former. I can shoot steel all day through my Caniks without a problem.
Sorry if this might be covered in another thread but it's been awhile since I've visited this forum.
Define "OK".I have a PPQ M2 5-inch coming and am wondering if it's OK to shoot steel-cased ammo, i.e. Tula, given the cheaper cost.
Have you noticed a difference in accuracy between steel cased and brass ?I can shoot steel all day through my Caniks without a problem.
This leads to more wear on the extractor
The link below was a test done by Lucky Gunner with brass vs steel cased ammo, but the test was done with rifles (Bushmaster model BCWA3F MOE). The brass cased ammo was superior in reliability, accuracy, barrel erosion/wear, and probably also extractor life. You can read the entire results for yourself and make up your own mind. But for me, since brass cased ammo was superior in reliability, accuracy, and in barrel life (probably also extractor life), that means no steel cased ammo for my firearms.I thought steel cased ammo was made of a softer steel than the steel on the extractor? I wish someone could set the record straight on this because I've never really known what to believe. Regardless, I don't use steel case ammo in any of my pistols either. The cost of 9mm brass ammo is extremely reasonable these days and the only steel cased ammo I shoot or buy is 7.62x39. Everything else is brass.
It normally is, but I don't believe it is the hardness of the steel that causes the wear issues, but the fact that the casings tend to stick to the chamber. The extractor is doing that much more work trying to get them out of there, and imagine the amount of stress put on the extractor hook when the casing is stuck in the chamber so tightly that the extractor hook goes over the casing as the slide cycles to the rear. If it doesn't, that's even worse, as I've heard of people who have had the extractors rip the case heads off of stuck steel casings in the chamber, and that's a malfunction that's practically impossible to clear without special tools.I thought steel cased ammo was made of a softer steel than the steel on the extractor?
There have been reports of issues with PPQ pistols running steel cased ammunition. There have also been reports in those same threads where people ran the same ammunition with no issues.
I personally would not use any steel cased ammunition through any defensive pistols. Steel cased ammunition, for one reason or another, tends to stick to the chamber, and is more likely to cause double-feed or failure to extract malfunctions. This leads to more wear on the extractor, and hard-to-clear malfunctions. This is not something I would want to subject a carry or defensive pistol to, even if the steel cased ammunition was just used for practice.
I appreciate your report on your experiences with steel cased ammunition.I don't buy into the hatred of steel.. nor do I believe it will wear out your chamber quicker unless you roll it in valve lapping compound (or shoot dirty ammo).
I appreciate your report on your experiences with steel cased ammunition.
My only issue with your post is the word "hatred". Hatred implies the decision was made off of emotion. I've heard of too many stories of multiple people having multiple issues with steel cased ammunition on certain pistols, and the part of their stories that always stuck with me was the part where the pistols only ever had consistent issues with steel cased ammunition.
I believe steel cased ammunition is the cause of issues on many pistols. Some pistols have tighter chambers than others, and I've noticed that steel casings tend to cause more issues on pistols or rifles that have more straight-walled chambers than on pistols or rifles with more tapered chambers. Walther is one of the few manufacturers that use a stepped chamber in their 9mm models.
Here is an interesting test done on four otherwise identical AR rifles. The only difference between them was the type of ammunition shot through them. Notice the wear on the extractor, as well as the double feed malfunctions, almost certainly due to the casings sticking in the chamber. Notice how the rifle firing brass cased ammunition didn't suffer from these issues.
So I read the manual, again, and maybe I'm dense.RTFM. Walther has already answered your question.
However, regardless, if that's what you wanna do, and your PPQ can feed it reliably, it's your pistol, do what you want
Nothing about steel or brass cases.Use only ammunition corresponding to the caliber of the weapon and which conforms to the provisions of C.I.P. or SAAMI.