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Springfield Armory Hellcat - P365 competitor with higher capacity.

Here is video. First SA poly pistol that may interest me. Pistol height only 4.5 inches with the extended 13 round magazine. NO grip zone and NO grip safety.
Built in standoff device described at 3:08.

Walther I really hope you have something like this coming out soon. Please!

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CALIBER: 9MM
MAGAZINES: (1)11-Round,(1)13-RoundExtended
SIGHTS: U-Dot™:Tritium&LuminescentFront,TacticalRackRear
FRAME: BlackPolymerw/AdaptiveGripTexture™
SLIDE: BilletMachined,Melonite®Finish,OpticsReady ($599 version}
RECOILSYSTEM: DualCaptiveRecoilSpringw/FullLengthGuideRod
LENGTH: 6"
HEIGHT: 4"w/FlushMag,4.5"w/ExtendedMag
GRIPWIDTH: 1"
WEIGHTW/EMPTYMAG: 17.9ozw/FlushMag,18.3ozw/ExtendedMag
MSRP: $569 - regular/$599 - optics ready.
 
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Looks good.


Too bad it will probably follow in the loooong history of disappointing firearms that SA is WELL known for.


SA guns are WELL represented in Texas pawn shops (and at the lowest prices of almost EVERYTHING else, even Taurus!!!), I wonder why?
 
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I merged these threads and placed them into the same sub-forum.


I got the Springfield Armory announcement this a.m. Interesting, but it is a Springfield Armory. Not my favorite brand of pistols.
 

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Now where is Walther's entry?


Apparently, with typical Walther timing, discontinued from what people here are saying:

I have a P99c and like it. The Sig P365 and apparently the SA Hellcat are a different breed of animal. They are a out as small as a 10 round gun could possibly be. Now if Walther came out with a similar sized gun with the P99' AS trigger system I'd be all over that.
 

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Sig set the bar. SA responded. If the gun is reliable and doesnt fall apart, it will do well in the marketplace.
It may well be a game changer considering it's competing with the 365. These guns can dramatically change the whole EDC landscape.

I personally can't wait to see this one vs the 365 SAS. When they start fighting over market share it could easily drive the Shield/PPS/43 etc. prices into the $200 or less range and the mini .380s well under $100.

SA has set the bar as far as value goes these days with their package deals. While they run a couple of bucks more than most of their competitors the couple of hundred bucks in extras are hard to beat. All their guns are top quality and completely reliable. I can't remember taking any SA gun in for repairs during the 3 years I've been in the business. I can't say that for any other firearm. I hope this one's a good one.
 

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Yes, it's made in Croatia. Perhaps it'll give my 365 a run for its money, I have more faith in Springfield firearms and service than Sig these days. And thank [insert whoever you worship] they didn't put "grip zone" on it.
 

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After watching some video's, I kinda like the sights and the grip texture.
 

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Interesting....I'll wait for the reviews just as I did with the 365....and I still do not have one of those.
Same here. After the bad reviews and the many problems that the SIG Sauer P365 was plagued with, I am still reluctant to trust the gun. As it is fall and should be getting cooler (even in Texas), I will wait until next spring.
 

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the grip length on the SA looks a bit shorter then the p365. Maybe less undercut on the trigger guard. It’s amazing that you can get almost a full grip on the p365. The SA looks more like a 2 finger grip. It’s great that other manufacturers have jumped on the bandwagon. The more options the better.
 

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Made in Croatia?

If only knew HALF the story of the issues with these Croatian manufacturing facilities, head=explode!.


I know a few friends/connections "inside" SA, IR (Ingersoll Rand), and CMC (Commercial Metals Corp), who have dealt with/currently deal with Croatian operations. Some stuff going on you would think only happens in Croatian back alleys.


Production personal assaulting supervisors/managers, and cannot be fired due to "local connections" (read; Organized Crime).


Facility Directors bringing in European porn producers to film and take pics on company grounds, without Corporate Office approval, I have some connections in legal depts., seen the pics/vids that were provided to the Director when he was released from employment........
 

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Hopefully it has a better trigger than the XDS. Was one of the worst striker fired triggers I’ve ever had. I sold the XDS, got the PPS and that started me on my path of being the Walther fan I currently am.
 

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I had a bad experience with a Springfield XDS repeatedly failing to go into battery so I’m not too keen on SA polymer pistols. Even their 1911s are better known for the customer service and I’ve sent both of mine back for warranty in the past.

I don’t put SA in the same league as Walther Germany and see this more as capitalizing on current trends and marketing than innovation.
 

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I don’t put SA in the same league as Walther Germany and see this more as capitalizing on current trends and marketing than innovation.
Absolutely this is about capitalizing on current trends. I'm ok with that though. There are very few true innovations in the pistol world. Most products that come out are mostly about capitalizing on trends.

The state of pistol design moves foward in fits and starts.
 

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Of course the industry is catering to trends. You can't invent the 1911 or the PPK every day. Although I am fond of my PPK sized 1911 😉
 
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