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You might want to check out this site to help with the proof marks and such on your PP and PPKs, for identification purposes:

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/archives/Proofmarks.pdf

Also of note is the Walther method for marking the date of pistols with two letters. Here are the corresponding numbers:

0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
A B C D E F G H I K

or ...

A = 0
B = 1
C = 2
D = 3
E = 4
F = 5
G = 6
H = 7
I = 8
K = 9

A gun marked AE, for example, would have a born-on date of 2004; a gun with a GF stamp would have been made in 1965. (Note that the J is not used.)

(A note of caution: We've had a lot of discussion on the forum of late regarding the date code chart and whether the Germans actually eliminated the I or the J, as identified in the chart above. Because both letters are written virtually the same in German, with the J being slightly taller, confusion has set in and expert sources are not always in agreement. We have photos indicating that the I appears to be used, but is it really an I and not a J in the German sense? If you want to follow some of the back-and-forth on this subject, visit this thread:

http://www.waltherforums.com/showthread.php?t=10898&page=2

It's interesting, to say the least.)

This next link has been posted before and is available on other parts of the forum, but it's a good addition here as well and a good spot to visit for folks who are interested in identifying the various proof marks they might run into, especially on some of the vintage firearms that are on the market these days:

https://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/Firearm/Proofmarks.pdf

And a couple more:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58610387/Proof-Marks

http://www.mdwguns.com/CIP.html

All right, and one more tip:

http://www.tague.at/pistolen/en_index.htm

It's a German site. Click on the Walther link on the main page and it will take you to a production chart for PP and PPK guns that were made from the start of the line through the end of WWII. It's good stuff and will answer a great many questions.

And one more, compliments of Uncut. It's a site that will help you identify property marks on your pistol, if you've acquired one that was previously owned by a German police force:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Wappen_in_Deutschland

It's in German, but the property marks need no translation.

And a couple more more for good measure:

http://www.shotguns.se/html/germany.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58610387/Proof-Marks

For a little walking tour history of Walther pistols:

http://www.cruffler.com/historic-march00.html

Enjoy.
 

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Hey awsome post!!!
Im assuming then that we are using the last two "letters" in our serials?? Because if its the first two mine was made in 1925.. haha But the last two means it was made in 2000..Which would mean my gun finally has a birthday!!
 

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Thanks, Great Info!

I recently inherited, my dads ppk/s. The Proof marks on this ppk/s are (the new eagle over the letter N, followed by the letters HI, followed by the Antler Proof mark.) I tried to take some pics to post, but the pics were too blurry.

searcher451 says that the Letter "I" is not used, so I'm a little confused, am I looking a the marks correctly?

Thanks in advance.

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And Searcher just fixed the date code, which inadvertently eliminated the I instead of the J. The chart is now corrected ... and correct again.

By the way, welcome to the forum, blkout50.

(As you can see from this post, the I/J riddle was already at play, although we didn't recognize it at the time as a problem brought about by conflicting German sources.)
 

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I'm trying to find out about my British proofed (eagle over 129) .22 PP. Can't find info anywhere.:(
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Edit (Milspec): It's a British L66A1 purchased from Germany and inspected by the German Federal Defense Ministry. The Eagle 129 stamps are combination proof and inspection stamps.
 

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Today I just acquired a PPKS and logged on to check the information from the forum to find the manufacture date. The gun does not has 2 letters in the serial number as the forum said it should, it starts with A and is followed by 6 numbers. Any idea how to find my manufacture date?
 

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No known database of Interarms guns exists, sad to report. Some folks have had some degree of luck looking at the dates on the test targets that were shipped along the guns themselves.
 

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I need help findin the "rough" production date of my interarms ppk the serial # is 068153 can anyone help? the letters look like a combination of V an A it doesnt make sense to me.
 

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I need help findin the "rough" production date of my interarms ppk the serial # is 068153 can anyone help? the letters look like a combination of V an A it doesnt make sense to me.
I bought a used Interarms PPK/S a few eeks ago. It came with the original box and manual. The copywite date in the manual is 1987. So my PPK was made in 1987 or later. My S/N is S048***. Since your S/N starts 068, It might be safe to assume it was made after 1987. Hope that helps.

Dont forget assume is spelled ASS U ME.
 

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Inherited PPK/S

Good evening everyone and thank you for all the previous info posted regarding how to find date/location of manufacture.

I just received this gun from an in-law whose husband passed away last month. On the (what I'll call) the LEFT side of the gun is the following:

Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Ulm/Do.
"Walther banner" PPK / S Cal. 9mm kurz

To the right of that is Made in W. Germany (2 lines)


On the RIGHT side (under the ejection port) is the following:

The "New Eagle" symbol over the letter N; next to that is the Serial #189431

To the right of that info is: INTERARMS
ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA (2 lines)

On the stainless part of the barrel at the ejection port opening is the following:

74 (a deer antler) and the "New Eagle" over the letter N

On the right side of the frame behind the trigger is the Serial #189431S

The magazine clip has at the bottom: Walther banner, above cal. 7,65mm

Appears to have black checkered plastic grips.

Minor wear on the edges of slide by the barrel opening, few minor scratches, otherwise, very clean.

***Noticed the slide does NOT stay open with an empty magazine clip in gun--shouldn't it????***

I now know the "new eagle" and the letter N mean the gun was proffed for Nitro or smokeless powder also the 74 and Deer Antler mean it was proofed in 1974 at the Ulm proof house.

Can someone direct me to a site where I can download a manual or at least disassembly/cleaning instructions? I know this gun is in good working condition because it was fired not too long ago.

I would like to offer my in-laws "something" for this gun........how much????!!

Thank you very much for any help you can provide.
 

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Now did Smith continue the Walther system??

My PPK/S has XXXXAAA.
Does this mean it was made in 2000???
No they did not use any type of date code...Only date would be with the fired case in envelope, and that would only be when it was fired, not made.
 

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shutterbug13856, you wrote:
Good evening everyone and thank you for all the previous info posted regarding how to find date/location of manufacture.

I just received this gun from an in-law whose husband passed away last month. On the (what I'll call) the LEFT side of the gun is the following:

Carl Walther Waffenfabrik Ulm/Do.
"Walther banner" PPK / S Cal. 9mm kurz

To the right of that is Made in W. Germany (2 lines)


On the RIGHT side (under the ejection port) is the following:

The "New Eagle" symbol over the letter N; next to that is the Serial #189431

To the right of that info is: INTERARMS
ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA (2 lines)

On the stainless part of the barrel at the ejection port opening is the following:

74 (a deer antler) and the "New Eagle" over the letter N

On the right side of the frame behind the trigger is the Serial #189431S
I have a near-identical PPK/S, but mine was made in 1976. The "74" on the barrel hood of this specimen means that it was made in 1974.
The magazine clip has at the bottom: Walther banner, above cal. 7,65mm

Appears to have black checkered plastic grips.

Minor wear on the edges of slide by the barrel opening, few minor scratches, otherwise, very clean.

***Noticed the slide does NOT stay open with an empty magazine clip in gun--shouldn't it????***
The two things that have been emboldened are related. The magazine is for .32 Auto (aka, 7.65mm), but the pistol is chambered in .380 Auto (aka, 9mm Kurz). I think that if you acquire a caliber-correct magazine, the slide should lock open with an empty magazine.
I now know the "new eagle" and the letter N mean the gun was proffed for Nitro or smokeless powder also the 74 and Deer Antler mean it was proofed in 1974 at the Ulm proof house.
Correct.
Can someone direct me to a site where I can download a manual or at least disassembly/cleaning instructions? I know this gun is in good working condition because it was fired not too long ago.
Here you go: http://www.carl-walther.info/files/pdf/PP-PPK Bedienungsanleitung.pdf
I would like to offer my in-laws "something" for this gun........how much????!!
I bought my near-identical pistol nearly three years ago for $600 plus $25 for the DROS fee. Mine was LNIB (99% or better), and came with everything (original serial-numbered box, extra magazine, test target, manual, and cleaning rod). Considering what you have written above, $600 or slightly less would be a fair price.
 

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I have a PP I bought 26 years ago. The plastic grips have Manurhin at the top. The bottom of the grips have Lic. Walthers ground off them. Left side of slide has Lic. Excl.///////////// The Walthers has been stamped over. The rest of the gun is as I have seen on other photos. The right side above the serial has Valley Arms stamped in the frame. When I bought this gun the dealer had 40 of them and sold them to us for $125.00. I wish I had bought more. The blueing on the gun is a 8+. Can you tell me any thing about the gun other than what I have read on this site. Thanks I tried to insert a picture, it won't let me.
 
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