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....Ok.....I posted couple months ago...I purchased from a Dealer....3. Walther PP 7.65 Pistols....Mint West German Police turn ins that had been sold to Danish Police....So after much searching on Internet...and notes on this Forum......According to the many References... that Walther PP 7.65 Pistols.....stamped with......Eagle Over N.....Half Elk antler....number 1 and letter C. (meant Commercial)....along with stamp....MADE IN WEST GERMANY......with Serial numbers in 466XXX range they were made in ULM......so after 3 weeks....I get a Two line response back from Walther......quote......"Cannot find record of pistols....probably made by Manhurin"...///////that was it....!!....I hope the girl that "did the research" took time out from her coffee break to send that.didnt tire herself out too much.........Hey...Part Time help probably.....what ya gonna do.?.....////after purchasing Three of their pistols maybe Im Naive but I expected a little more courtesy than a two line response............and as I said....everything I have read about the Stamps......oh well....Im worn out with it.........just gonna forget it .....shoot them and enjoy them..........Hans Fischer.....US Army/Air Force Retired..... :mad:
 

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Typical German response. I once tried to research a factory trained Porsche racing department mechanic that worked for a close family friend. He was loaned to the dealership to maintain a 550 RS. He decided to stay in the States instead of returning to his prior position at Porsche. His actions resulted in him being black balled and his career ruined. My information request resulted in a reply of “We have no record of him “ !
 

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Could it be IC, making it made in 1982? Probably the person you emailed had a hard time reading your email 😉
 

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Well, to be honest, you bought three Walther pistols that were made half a century ago under different ownership. You bought them used as police surplus, so there’s no reason Walther should care, since you’ve never made them a cent.

And you expect a business to do historical research for you as a matter of courtesy? Colt and S&W charge you $100 per gun for this kind of stuff.

Seems to be a case of unrealistic expectations.
 

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Actually, when I sent the serial and a pic to Walther Germany, they promptly replied with the month and year of manufacturing (12/77) and proofing (1/78), albeit in terse tones. But I did ask them in proper German, and readable punctuation, syntax and grammar ;)
 

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I often wonder at those who think that a corporation involved in the design, manufacture and distribution of firearms worldwide would keep staff to answer historical and research questions. Especially when almost all the needed information can be had from online forums like this one or other easily referenced sources.

If the matter is one of more than idle curiosity as in writing a book on Walther firearms or a paper on the distribution of weapons to the Danish police the matter might be treated differently.

They couldn't find the records. Did they look very hard, well the OP will never know. Maybe the writer spent three frantic days searching every nook and cranny of the Walther plant for those records and brought in 9 specially trained research assistants to help but being a typical German failed to mention it in the reply. We will never know.

My feeling is that this type of research to satisfy idol curiosity is well beyond the means of most companies. I am not trying to be overly harsh I am just trying to be realistic.
 

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....Maybe the writer spent three frantic days searching every nook and cranny of the Walther plant for those records and brought in 9 specially trained research assistants to help but being a typical German failed to mention it in the reply. We will never know.

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As a German, I am quite thorough in my responses, just as the German people in general are thorough in their engineering and general communication. They are also successful in international business and, as was mentioned before, cannot waste important and expensive resources to fill the curiosity of someone on whom they never made a cent and who is not trying to do the research himself but feels entitled to free services.
 

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As a German, I am quite thorough in my responses, just as the German people in general are thorough in their engineering and general communication. They are also successful in international business and, as was mentioned before, cannot waste important and expensive resources to fill the curiosity of someone on whom they never made a cent and who is not trying to do the research himself but feels entitled to free services.
I agree with this. To the best of my knowledge, the OP was not paying for a service but essentially asking for a favor.

The response, while maybe not as polite as it would be coming from a Canadian, was understandable.
 

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No....No "Unrealistic Exceptions"....I made offer to pay for any "Research" and for any cost mailing if they were to mail me anything......//////. couple years ago..I purchased a Victory Model Smith & Wesson .38 Special.......I wrote a letter to S&W ....received note back re cost.....mauled them a check.....about a week later I received a Very Nice Letter on Smith & Wesson letterhead with complete information......so I was Very Pleased......////...Im now going to write Walther in Ulm a letter with all information.....IN GERMAN.....Im just shocked really at the terse 2 line response......I told them over a period of time had owned approximately 8 of their products..........wait and see.....Im pretty Determined When I go after something... :)
 

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As a German, I am quite thorough in my responses, just as the German people in general are thorough in their engineering and general communication. They are also successful in international business and, as was mentioned before, cannot waste important and expensive resources to fill the curiosity of someone on whom they never made a cent and who is not trying to do the research himself but feels entitled to free services.

Apparent Walther response is as expected.
 

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No....No "Unrealistic Exceptions"....I made offer to pay for any "Research" and for any cost mailing if they were to mail me anything......//////. couple years ago..I purchased a Victory Model Smith & Wesson .38 Special.......I wrote a letter to S&W ....received note back re cost.....mauled them a check.....about a week later I received a Very Nice Letter on Smith & Wesson letterhead with complete information......so I was Very Pleased......////...Im now going to write Walther in Ulm a letter with all information.....IN GERMAN.....Im just shocked really at the terse 2 line response......I told them over a period of time had owned approximately 8 of their products..........wait and see.....Im pretty Determined When I go after something... <img src="http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
On behalf of Walther Germany, please don't. For the love of dog.
 

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No....No "Unrealistic Exceptions"....I made offer to pay for any "Research" and for any cost mailing if they were to mail me anything......//////. couple years ago..I purchased a Victory Model Smith & Wesson .38 Special.......I wrote a letter to S&W ....received note back re cost.....mauled them a check.....about a week later I received a Very Nice Letter on Smith & Wesson letterhead with complete information......so I was Very Pleased......////...Im now going to write Walther in Ulm a letter with all information.....IN GERMAN.....Im just shocked really at the terse 2 line response......I told them over a period of time had owned approximately 8 of their products..........wait and see.....Im pretty Determined When I go after something... :)
Hans,

ich hoffe, dass Deine deutsche Rechtschreibung und allgemeine Schriftweise besser ist als Deine englische Rechtschreibung. /// und ... gehoeren nicht in einen normalen Text.

Viel Glueck, bonne chance, good luck ... and I am out of this train wreck.
 

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Quite apart from all the perfectly justified attitude and snark, here are the facts of life:

A few gun companies have professional in-house historians, an actual Archives subsidiary (like Colt), or there is a historical foundation that has taken over the old pre-digital documents and provides research services for fees (like S&W).

If such a possibility exists, it will be known in the collector community and there should be information on how to access it.

If not, like apparently in the case of Walther, the chance that there will be anyone sitting around at Walther twiddling their thumbs waiting for you to give them a chance to dig around in old paper files is beyond remote.
 

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Attitude.?

My Apologies if my comments came across as "Snarky".......its just that I have asked what I termed simple question on the Walther Forum....and did not realize how complicated it would turn out.....I Appreciate your Courteous reply and hope you dont take offense at my note...my Family comes from the little town of Langensbold., Hesse ,Germany and as far back as I have records.. ..1620....so Im Proud of my German Heritage....Thank you again ...and just for grins.....I own approximately. 8 Walther Products.......Kind Regards....Johann Fischer
Quite apart from all the perfectly justified attitude and snark, here are the facts of life:

A few gun companies have professional in-house historians, an actual Archives subsidiary (like Colt), or there is a historical foundation that has taken over the old pre-digital documents and provides research services for fees (like S&W).

If such a possibility exists, it will be known in the collector community and there should be information on how to access it.

If not, like apparently in the case of Walther, the chance that there will be anyone sitting around at Walther twiddling their thumbs waiting for you to give them a chance to dig around in old paper files is beyond remote.
 

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Response to complaint regarding my writing.

Vielen Dank für Ihren Hinweis .... Ich bin 79 Jahre alt .... Nach 27 Jahren im Ruhestand war ich 32 Jahre lang für eine große Fluggesellschaft tätig .... in all dieser Zeit hatte ich noch nie eine Beschwerde bezüglich der Art und Weise, wie ich schrieb. ..so es ist ein Rätsel für mich, warum es eine Person verwirren würde .... was meine deutsche Rechtschreibung betrifft..Meine Familie stammt aus der kleinen Stadt Langensbold, Hessen und stammt aus dem Jahr 1620 .... also geht es mir ziemlich gut in meiner Korrespondenz mit meinen Verwandten dort ... und sie beschweren sich nicht über meine Verwendung von ... in Sätzen ... aber dann ... können Sie nicht jeden zufrieden stellen, wie Ricky Nelson einmal sagte ... ... Danke ....... Johann Fischer
Hans,

ich hoffe, dass Deine deutsche Rechtschreibung und allgemeine Schriftweise besser ist als Deine englische Rechtschreibung. /// und ... gehoeren nicht in einen normalen Text.

Viel Glueck, bonne chance, good luck ... and I am out of this train wreck.
 
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