Just stopped in and looked at that collection again.
The only one that's been sold is the top left one in the 1st post image.
The only one that's been sold is the top left one in the 1st post image.
Sportman's Warehouse is even worse about their used guns. Most of their used pistols look like crime guns that were thrown out a car window during a police chase (repeatedly).... and yet they have the balls to ask for nearly full retail price with no room to haggle.That's because they're at a national sporting goods chain called Cabela's. You can still find these elsewhere for $2-3k.
That's why I never shop for guns at the big box stores. I'm sure that means I'll occasionally miss something good but the prices just aren't worth it.Sportman's Warehouse is even worse about their used guns.... and yet they have the balls to ask for nearly full retail price with no room to haggle.
Wrong: The new P210's are junk. They have cast steel frames and cast internal parts. The fire control mechanism is no longer made tongue and groove which could be removed without tools. The new junk fire control system is held in by a 10 cent hardware screw which can back out and jam up the gun under recoil. The new magazines are junk as well. They are folded over stamped sheet metal spot welded together. The followers are flat cheap stamped sheet metal. The original magazines had a continuous welded spine and the followers were stainless steel with a strengthening groves in them to prevent bending out of shape.I don't understand what makes the Swiss P49/210 worth the asking prices. Yes, they're a military handgun of the highest quality but that same quality is available in a new P210 for much less. The Swiss haven't fought a war in over 300 years so their guns don't have the allure of military guns that have seen action. Swiss Lugers are of the highest quality but are not valued or collected like the German Lugers. Being 30 caliber may have a small bearing on that. I'm not trying to insult anyone who thinks they are worth the price but I just don't see it.
There's more than a little irony when a poster named bhp9 is critical of a cast frame. If/when my Sig P210 falls apart, I'll let you know. At the moment it runs as slick as silk on glass.Wrong: The new P210's are junk. They have cast steel frames and cast internal parts. The fire control mechanism is no longer made tongue and groove which could be removed without tools. The new junk fire control system is held in by a 10 cent hardware screw which can back out and jam up the gun under recoil. The new magazines are junk as well. They are folded over stamped sheet metal spot welded together. The followers are flat cheap stamped sheet metal. The original magazines had a continuous welded spine and the followers were stainless steel with a strengthening groves in them to prevent bending out of shape. Rule to live by: If its modern made, chances are its junk.
Big difference between the P210A and the models pictured. I have them all.Waaaaaaaaay too expensive in my opinion. They are fantastic quality in every way but priced well beyond reason... again, IMO.
This is a better deal... and yes, I have one. The quality is top drawer with one of the best triggers on any pistol, bar none. Sig Sauer -210A9TGT P210 Target Single 9mm Luger 5 8 Walnut Grip Black Nitron Stainless Steel
Please explain what differences there are that make the old guns worth twice - or more - the price of the P210A. Fit and finish, trigger pull and accuracy of my P210A are all excellent.Big difference between the P210A and the models pictured. I have them all. The American models shoot great, but you can't compare value. Apples and oranges.
Explain what?Please explain what differences there are that make the old guns worth twice - or more - the price of the P210A. Fit and finish, trigger pull and accuracy of my P210A are all excellent.
YOU claimed that there is a "big difference" between the guns but when asked to explain the differences, you dodge the question. If you don't know the answer, just say so.Explain what?
The old models have sold for huge money for a long time. Do you think an American version is going to reduce their prices? Some of the old models bring $15-$20,000 each.
That’s the market value. There’s nothing to explain. If you don’t like it, stick to the P210A.
In more current times, the German Super Targets bring $5000 or so. There’s definitely a difference between those and the P210A. Fit, finish, smoothness, etc. Plus the design is different. The Super Target is my personal favorite P210.
You can’t just look at the prices of the old models and say it’s overpriced because there’s now a cheap P210 on the market. It doesn’t work that way. Never has and never will. The old Swiss models and the newer German models will continue to rise in value.
…and, yes, I love my P210A Target. I’m just telling you the facts of the P210 market.
Hard to determine why the comparison testing didn't happen. Lots of possible reasons I suppose. I'm glad your P210 was returned and I'd be reluctant to loan anything to someone who wasn't more responsive.I can’t say having never compared the new pistol to the old but I will offer this. When the American ones first came out and a top American gun writer whose name I won’t say unless he speaks up, told me he was getting a pair to test. I offered him and sent my P210-6 suggesting an interesting story for him to test them all and compare. It never happened, apparently Sig backed out. I am just reading between the lines as it was all mysterious and it took me awhile to get my 210 back which didn’t help! Then the writer unfriended me apparently as some kind of damage control due to the many msgs sent asking for my gun back or something else!
I was happy to eventually receive my beautiful pistol cleaned and looking the same, swearing I would never do that again! I find it entirely reasonable that your gun is very nice but that the Swiss made pistols are finer with an even better trigger, better finish and nicer work, stronger parts, all around because it has happened many times before with various Euro weapons licensed for production over here in the good old USA. We are good at saving bucks and often sacrificing quality! Hopefully the other fellow will chime in because its a great question. I’m an old retired dealer, the value I might win or lose on my old 210 doesn’t matter as I will never sell it. Too much fun to shoot and my son thinks its my coolest pistol, even nicer than my custom P7! So why buy another, after all its not a self defense piece although, like my gorgeous Luger, it will certainly kill if pointed correctly!
Thats a nice old Luger! I should have bought some years ago, but didn’t have the time to bring myself up to speed with yet another complicated maze of models, all with different values and many of which had been through the mill, ie two world wars! So, I decided I wanted a brand new one and what could be better than those being made again by Mauser, supposedly on original equipment to original drawings saved from the war, at the same Oberndorf address too! I like the Swiss pattern which right away showed I was not a purist. Just seemed that an extra safety for the old gun was extra insurance. I have one from off the top of my head is mid production, so about 35 years old and was asnib until I decided to put a box of ammo through it around 5 years ago! It ate whatever I fed it, reloads, fmj, some small hollow point. The magazine spring is extremely stiff which gives it reliable feeding. Its my favorite close examination pistol! It’s no Kreighoff but its a very beautifully made Mauser Swiss pattern with a 4" or 5" barrel, box, papers, 2 mags, loading tool, cleaning rod, test target and manual! Apparently worth almost $3k now and that’s nice!Hard to determine why the comparison testing didn't happen. Lots of possible reasons I suppose. I'm glad your P210 was returned and I'd be reluctant to loan anything to someone who wasn't more responsive.
I don't doubt that your old P210 is a fine, well made pistol. OTOH, I'm unaware of any problems with the new P210A. There is a law of diminishing returns where small improvement past a certain point cost far more than the added benefits are worth. I don't see that there is enough difference between the older and newer pistols to warrant the increase in price. If someone does believe the differences justify the cost and has the money then I'm happy for them. My new P210A is as smooth as silk on glass, has a trigger well under 3 pounds - feels much lighter - and is accurate. The finish is durable and resists rusting. Finally, my all matching P'00/06 German made Luger, sent to Switzerland as a parts kit and assembled in 1910 by W+F in Bern is also gorgeous.
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