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I started shooting USPSA a little over a year ago, participating in about 8-10 matches. I started with a CZ 75B 9mm in Limited-minor and ended up getting classified a low D. I was consistently scoring mid 40% to low 50%, finishing in the middle of the pack (ex. 12th out of 24 shooters). I had lots of misses and procedurals because I was gunning too fast.

This year, I transitioned to my 4" PPQ for Production Division. I only have 2 matches with it. The first match I scored 60%, but the score got thrown out because of an error with the classifier. This last match, I scored 71%, finishing 3rd out of 17 Production shooters.

I think the stages played a small part. People were having trouble with steel poppers and a Texas Star. Needless to say, I'm super excited to see progress. By no means am I a great shooter. I still throw shots and my times are a little slow. I was just consistent with this last one. Only 2 misses and no procedurals.

My PPQ only has Talon Grip tape, Dawson FO front and Turul's custom rear blacked out sight. I am very satisfied with the stock trigger. Still have to be mindful of the muzzle flip. If I don't pay attention, that muzzle can get out of hand.


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I agree that the PPQ 4" is very nice for competition. I am using mine in IDPA this year also with the same sights you have. I agree the stock trigger is great, however I did go with a lighter FPB spring this week. It reduced the intial take up force and reduced overall trigger pull by 1/2lb. Going to try the 3.5lb TRS next.

My only negative about the gun is muzzle flip. With good high and tight grip it is OK, but as you mention it can get a little out of control.

I have had a habit of switching between guns a lot but I plan on sticking with PPQ the entire season. I am already shooting it better than my tuned Glocks.
 

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I started shooting USPSA production last year with my PPQ 4 inch and now a C class shooter. The muzzel flip is definitaly more noticable than other guns while the trigger beats all. I switched to 5 inch version earlier this year and adjusted the trigger pull to less than 3 lbs by changing the FPB and sear springs. It's simply pleasant to shoot and easy to get faster as I shoot more matches. I see many people shooting Glocks, MP and CZs in the production division at my local club, but only 1 person besides myself shoots PPQ. Hope that situation stays so I can keep my advantage. :D

Yes, stick with PPQ and you will definitely be a champion!
 

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I just started USPSA. I am using it to get better with my Q4, now that they have a carry optics division. Don't care about scores or placement in a match. Just getting in the practice.

The last match had steel poppers at about 38 yards. Some people ran out of ammo before they could finish! Thank goodness for my red dot, I wasn't one of them!
 

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I shot a match a few weeks ago and noticed I'm definitely rusty from taking the summer off. There were times I noticed that I didn't have good control with the 4-inch PPQ and my inconsistent shot placement showed it. I'm really considering swapping out my 4-inch and getting the 5-inch. I'm accurate with it in static slow fire. But running and gunning is a different game.

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I currently shoot a PPQ 4" in IDPA. I am thinking of picking up a 5". For those that have shot a 4" and 5", is there a difference in the muzzle flip? The 4" trigger and accuracy is great but has more muzzle flip than Glocks.

I am thinking about trying USPSA next year. Compared to IDPA it seems like a more free for all and run and gun compared to IDPA.
 

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Finally got a 5" PPQ to along with the 4. The different version mags are frustrating, but I got over it. On the 4, I could use the medium backstrap. I have to used the large on the M2 5-inch because of the little ledge below the mag release. If i don't, the ledge will dig into my strong had middle finger.

I took the Dawson FO front (.180t) and turul's custom rear sight off the 4 and put it on the 5. At 15-yds or less, it seems POI = POA. Further out to 20 yds, it seems to shoot about 1-2 inches high if I cover the target. I have to consiously aim slightly low, maybe a true 6 o'clock hold. I may try a different height front sight (.195t), or just practice and learn to compensate.

I haven't shot a USPSA match with it yet, but yesterday I shot at a steel match. 5 stages, 5 strings each, with 5 plates each. Took me 165 rounds. The difference between the 4 and 5-inch was noticeable at longer distances. Both are equally as accurate (as expected), and both get back on target just as easily, but the 5-inch was just easier to aim at 20-25yds when transitioning between targets.

Now, I'm not a great shooter at all, more like average. I was consistently scoring mid-pack (10 out of 20 ) and that's where I usually place in USPSA Production division. My average time for a 5-target string was about 6 seconds. I've missed the big rectangular plate at 10 yards straight from the draw, and was constantly shooting high at the small 20-yd plates. I received constructive feedback from other shooters that I tend to jerk the trigger.

I like the 4-inch PPQ for the paddle release and I could continue to shoot it in matches. For now though, I'm going to stick with the 5-inch.

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I shoot my 5" PPQ in Limited USPSA as a Super Senior, I like being to run full mags.

I use Trijicon Orange HD sights and in a 80 shooter match I can usually stay in the top 20.

Shooting IDPA my PPQ 45 with a Apex trigger really does great in ESP class.
 

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...I like the 4-inch PPQ for the paddle release and I could continue to shoot it in matches. For now though, I'm going to stick with the 5-inch...
My 5-inch slide sits on a 4-inch paddle frame. Best of both worlds. Once you do it you won't go back. ;)
 

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Went to another USPSA match yesterday, shooting my 5-inch M2 in Production Division. As mentioned before, I was shooting a 4-inch PPQ with the paddle release at the beginning of the year. Well, on the 1st stage, that difference finally caught up to me. I went to do my first mag change, and it was taking longer than normal to drop the mag. When I finally looked at the pistol, I noticed I wasn't engaging the button mag release. My index finger was trying to sweep down.

Now, that does sound a little exaggerated and maybe cost me 2-3 seconds. You can bet I didn't screw up any more mag changes for the rest of the match.

Just like my last Steel match, I noticed I was shooting low. It was noticeable on the 15-20 yard targets as well as a few small steel plates. I have the 0.180T front sight. Once I slowed down, my shots were good. My times were consistently slower than others, but I had plenty of A-zone hits. I finished 2 out of 10 in Production, but 3rd for the classifier at 69%, since one guy in Limited also reshot the classifier for Production. Overall, I am still enjoying the 5-inch over the 4-inch for gun games.
 

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Another update. Shot a USPSA match a few weeks ago. There were only 8 Production Division shooters, which is sort of low considering we usually have 12-15. For the overall match, I came in 2nd for Production. But for the Classifier, I came in 1st. I still see that I shoot low, but that's more a result of my shooting ability and less on the sights. I had lots of A-zone hits with maybe 1 or 2 misses. My groupings were wide, meaning some of my targets were A-C hits. Still enjoying the 5-inch PPQ. I've gotten over the button mag release vs the paddle mag release.
 

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^^^^^Are you required to run a factory trigger (as in factory springs)?
Short answer is no. For Production Division, you can upgrade internals with aftermarket parts. Example: recoil spring, hammer spring, firing pin/striker spring.

However, you would not be able change the actual trigger with an aftermarket because it's an external part. External changes can be made to a very limited extent. Swapping external parts with OEM parts from a model of the same manufacturer, that's also approved for Production Division, is allowed.
 
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