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I got to handle (and lust after) a PPS RMSc model in a store recently. I love my existing PPS with a Laser Guard and I prefer red dots to any other sighting system.

When I looked through the optic, the dot didn't appear to be especially bright and there's no manual control for it on the RMSc.

The Trijicon RMR on my CZ pistol has a 6 MOA dot, a bit on the big side, but very bright and extremely visible. It also has no manual control, but the auto adjust works instantly and very accurately. Under the same lighting as I had in that store, I'm sure the dot would have been far easier to see...

For you RMSc owners -- has visibility been an issue for you? Or dot size for fast acquisition? I like little 3 MOA dots for target guns, but for defensive pistols a larger, brighter dot makes for much faster acquisition.

(of course the factory sights on the PPS are easy to pick up, so I had no trouble getting a sight picture -- I was just surprised that the dot wasn't easier to see -- maybe the one in the store was a fluke, or had a low battery from being constantly in the display case under full lighting?)
 

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I have the larger RMS on a Q5. Yes the dot intensity is 'auto adjust' on this model too. AND, it works flawlessly....plenty bright in the closet or outside....it adapts to the ambient light almost immediately.
 

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I use 2 or 3 MOA scopes on my pistols. On my AR-15 and CZ Scorpion rifle style pistol, I use rifle scopes with a 1 MOA dot inside a 65 MOA circle.

I spot the circle while still bringing the weapon up, and instantly see the 1 moa dot. The circle doesn't hide the target, and the 1 MOA dot makes them accurate to 200 + yards.

I look forward to seeing something similar for pistol use.
 

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The dot on the PPS M2 RMSc is listed as a 4MOA dot. I was told that it is actually a 3.25 MOA dot as some folks did a measurement on it. Either way, most people recommend using a 3 or 4 dot MOA for precise shooting, versus the larger 6MOA dots or even larger. I haven't seen the RMSc in person yet, but I can't wait to.
 

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The dot on the PPS M2 RMSc is listed as a 4MOA dot. I was told that it is actually a 3.25 MOA dot as some folks did a measurement on it. Either way, most people recommend using a 3 or 4 dot MOA for precise shooting, versus the larger 6MOA dots or even larger. I haven't seen the RMSc in person yet, but I can't wait to.
The RMSc is quite a nice little optic from what I saw -- very lightweight and unobtrusive. It's also quite a bit lighter and thinner than something like a Trijicon and thus I wonder how well it would survive heavy usage -- probably it would survive the usage, but impact or dropping, etc. would clearly have a worse effect than on a Trijicon.

I've plinked around with several dot configurations. I found it easiest to quickly find a 6 MOA dot like the one on my RMR -- it's big enough to be quickly acquired but small enough to still be very accurate at least to 20 yards or so -- and beyond that I'm not really stable enough to get 1 MOA in accuracy!

Up closer, the smaller 3 MOA dots are more precise. I ran one on a .22 target pistol to great effect. Leupold's Delta Point triangular dot was interesting -- the theory being that the fat triangle is fast to acquire (true!) but the POI should be zeroed to be the upper tip of the triangle for precise shooting. I only shot that a few times and found the triangle distracting, but over time maybe I'd find it helpful.

The worst I tried was Trijicon's battery-free RMR. Uses ambient light through fiber optics to project a yellow-orange triangle on the reticle. It was far too dim for me to see easily even in bright sunlight. In total darkness the tritium projects a barely visible dot. In the in-between lighting conditions it was the worst of both worlds. My 2 cents anyways.

I'm sure that playing with the RMSc for a while would enable me to get used to finding that dot quickly. Video reviews appear to show a dot that's quite bright, and people on other forums really seem to like it. That leads me to believe that the one I handled in the gun store probably had a run down battery, since it's always under a lighting source and the dot is probably always at its highest power that way.
 

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I'm very interested in this set up as my old eyes are making a sight picture harder and harder. I have yet to see one locally, but am looking forward to checking it out. I really like the idea behind it.

Do you need a different holster to compensate for the optic? I wouldn't think so, but just checking
 

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^^^^^Yep, an RMR 'red dot' is a sight for sore eyes.

As for fitting a holster.....it depends on the holster....and maybe on the particular optic.
 

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I've seen a few (Vedder, Clinger) brands that are making holsters for this specific PPS model -- probably because it's a factory option.

Otherwise yes, sticking Red Dot A onto Gun Model B and finding a holster is a real challenge!
 

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Do you need a different holster to compensate for the optic? I wouldn't think so, but just checking
As Fart says, depends on the holster you have currently... My Stealthgear Mini IWB required some "Dremeling" to fit the RMSc


My existing Dara IWB, Dara OWB and Crossbreed MiniTuck cannot be modified (at least easily) for teh RMSc but each manufacturer has a RMSc compatible holster. Crossbreed Freedom holster will accept it without modification...
 
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