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I have a 5" PPQM1 and would like to replace it with a smaller handgun. I would also like to have a safety. I tried the PPQ sub and it felt good but I prefer a longer grip (and it has no safety). Not familiar with the entire Walther line but I thought some of you might be able to help me out.

I may be one of the few that likes the CCP (and mine works) but I already have one and want something else. This is for the home, not CC. 9mm. Thanks for any suggestions.
 

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Canik TP9SF Elite-S.
 

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HK P30SKS.

From the HK website :

Part No. 730903KS‐A5, UPC 642230253391*– P30SKS, Subcompact, (V3) DA/SA, ambidextrous safety/rear decocking button, two 10rd magazines –*MSRP $719

Part No. 730903KSLE‐A5, UPC642230253421– P30SKS, Subcompact, (V3) DA/SA, ambi safety/rear decocking button, three 10rd magazines and night sights –*MSRP $819
 

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Springfield Armory XD-E, perhaps?

I own a basic Springfield XD-9 service pistol with a PSP combat trigger.
Awesome shooter!! Plus, Springfield has great customer service. I had feeding issues with a Springfield GI Model 1911 that has thousands and thousands of rounds fired through this pistol. I learned how to make quality LRN reloads from scratch with this pistol testing my efforts. I sent this pistol back to Springfield and they replaced all the springs and did some other work.
My basic "bare bones" GI 1911 is a great shooter!! Springfield stands behind their products!!
 

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HK P30SKS.

From the HK website :

Part No. 730903KS‐A5, UPC 642230253391*— P30SKS, Subcompact, (V3) DA/SA, ambidextrous safety/rear decocking button, two 10rd magazines —*MSRP $719

Part No. 730903KSLE‐A5, UPC642230253421— P30SKS, Subcompact, (V3) DA/SA, ambi safety/rear decocking button, three 10rd magazines and night sights —*MSRP $819
Yep. I have a P30SK LEM but it comes in DA/SA with a safety. There are also 13 round magazines for it to get a full grip but I can shoot mine fine even with the flush 10 round magazine.

This is mine with the 13 round magazine

 

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The P30SK might be just what I am looking for. The XD I do like and have shot before, and the Canik is impressive, but I was not at all familiar with it. Thanks for the posts, and if anyone else wants to chime in, I will keep reading. Thanks!
 

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1) The Springfield XDe is a DA/SA pistol that comes with a manual safety that also functions as a decocker. It comes with one 8 round and one 9 round magazine.

2) The Smith and Wesson Shield is a striker fired pistol available with or without a manual safety. It comes with one 7 round and one 8 round magazine. It does not have a second strike capability.



Either of the above would be a good choice. Both shoot well.
 

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I was recently able to check out the recommendations provided here although no local dealer for Canik or CZ. I didn't find one that I really liked except for the Ruger Security 9. Perfect size, decent grip, 15 rounds, and a safety. It's not fancy and some reviews do mention accuracy issues so I am still looking. Stay tuned . . .
 

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Springfield-Armory XDM 3.8" compact in 9mm. It's in 9mm, is smaller than your 5" PPQ, can have a compact grip with the 13 round magazine, and can have a longer grip (that you said you prefer) with the full 19 round magazine (which is nice for a home defense pistol), and it has a grip safety. It does not have a regular safety lever, but the grip safety is another level of protection. It is solid, and very accurate.

The only knock on them IMO is the factory trigger. They are kind of "mushy" from the factory, but Spring-Armory's custom shop (from their factory) offer trigger jobs on them. Also, Springer Precision and Powder River Precision both sell and install their trigger kits for them. I really like the ones I own, and they have been totally reliable with a variety of ammo. I use one for home defense and it has never let me down. I just wanted to throw out another option for you to consider.

The grip safety is a love or hate thing. I don't mind them one bit, especially for a home defense pistol, and I have thousands of rounds through my XDMs without any issues from the grip safeties. They are also easy to field strip, and they don't require one to pull the trigger before breaking them down. I always thought that was a nice feature on them.

I would have said to get a 4" PPQ M1 in 9mm, which is smaller than your 5" PPQ. But, I thought that you wouldn't want that response from your original post. So I offered you a different suggestion, but you can't go wrong with a 4" PPQ M1. :D
 

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How much smaller are you looking for? You mentioned a 15rd pistol in another post. If that's the case, why not look at a standard PPQ?

If you want a smaller polymer pistol with an excellent grip, an excellent trigger in both DA and SA with a very short trigger reset, a very soft recoil impulse, and a safety, I'd suggest a Grand Power P11.

https://grandpower.eagleimportsinc.com/grandpower/firearms/p11-series
 

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How about the Walther P99c? It doesn’t have a manual safety but it does have a frame mounted decocker so your first shot is double action. It comes with 10 round magazines but you have the option of using the full size p99 15 rd magazines with a grip sleeve. That’s how I carry mine in an appendix holster most of the time.. It’s compact, light, and has an excellent trigger in double or single action. Shoot Straight has been selling them for about 340.00 in 9mm or 40.
 

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How about the Walther P99c? It doesn’t have a manual safety but it does have a frame mounted decocker so your first shot is double action. It comes with 10 round magazines but you have the option of using the full size p99 15 rd magazines with a grip sleeve. That’s how I carry mine in an appendix holster most of the time.. It’s compact, light, and has an excellent trigger in double or single action. Shoot Straight has been selling them for about 340.00 in 9mm or 40.
The 9mm is out of stock.
 
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