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Hi guys, been reading a lot of stuff regarding firearms being sent to Walther for repair/warranty work, and have seen some people get them back faster than others. I won't get into the topic of the attributes of doing such repairs, but,,,,,,,,

As I am still considering the CCP and have been looking into many posts about it, one thing I wonder about as a resident of New Jersey.
Due to the restrictions put on our fair state, I wonder if it's only us who have to have all firearms sent to an FFL, or if it does apply to everyone as I suspect.

Does the issue of repair/warranty make for an exemption to this policy? Or am I going to get hit with an FFL transfer fee from my local agent for a repair as well?

Does Walther ever send the firearm back to the owner directly? Or is this a violation?

Sorry if this has come up before, my attempts at using the search program here didn't pick it up.
 

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I know nothing of NJ state laws. I FedEx'ed mine straight to Walther and it was FedEx'ed right back to my driveway 28 days later. The only requirement was that someone 21 years of age had to sign for the delivery.
 

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I know nothing of NJ state laws. I FedEx'ed mine straight to Walther and it was FedEx'ed right back to my driveway 28 days later. The only requirement was that someone 21 years of age had to sign for the delivery.
Difference between living in a Free State and ....well....the Peoples Democratic Republic of NJ, NY, Mass, or California.

All i have to say to our brothers in CA, NJ, NY, and MASS is.....join us in Freedom.
 

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Wow. This is surprisingly not clear. Even Handgunlaw.us has nothing on the topic. I'm not in NJ, but I'm still searching for an answer. You may want to head to your local FFL and ask. I would NOT ask police, as NJ police are notorious for being anti-gun by training, and thus may not have the correct information (or simply may want to mislead you).
 

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1. Don't buy a CCP. Buy a high quality firearm.

2. If the things you read about a firearm makes you immediately wonder about their warranty service, select a different firearm.

3. Under Federal law, a gunsmith or warranty repair service can ship the gun you already own directly back to you, since you aren't acquiring a new gun but simply re-taking possession of your property. You can also ship a gun to yourself if you find a carrier willing (hunting trip, for instance).

4. Some states have more stringent laws, and the people to ask are those with the vested interest in getting it right - the mail order gunsmiths and warranty services. So I would simply call Walther, Sig or S&W up and ask them if they return serviced firearms directly back to NJ owners or not.
 

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Google Books contains "New Jersey Gun Law" by Evan Nappen. The section on "Shipping Guns" is available for preview (pages 219 and 220).
 

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Number one; Do NOT buy a CCP if warranty work is a concern.

Number 2....see number one.


That said, I trust and believe in a PPS and a P99c often, hint hint.
 

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1. Don't buy a CCP. Buy a high quality firearm.

2. If the things you read about a firearm makes you immediately wonder about their warranty service, select a different firearm.

Number one; Do NOT buy a CCP if warranty work is a concern.

Number 2....see number one.
Both off topic. The question is about shipping to and from the manufacturer in New Jersey; not the quality of the CCP as a model.


I spent a couple of hours searching, and so far haven't found anything to directly answer the OP's question.
 

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Both off topic. The question is about shipping to and from the manufacturer in New Jersey; not the quality of the CCP as a model.


I spent a couple of hours searching, and so far haven't found anything to directly answer the OP's question.
Often the reason you can't find a law is because it doesn't exist. States don't publish lists of what is legal.

I checked Robar's website and it says they ship directly back to their customers without reference to any state exceptions - so there likely aren't any. Robar has been in the out-of-state gunsmith business for a long time.
 

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Target99, you have the luxury of living in one of the "free states" as referenced by PPS1980, who has me jealous, I hope to get to one of those states eventually, thanks!
 

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Jackrock, I never even heard of handgunlaw.us, so your response was helpful anyway, I appreciate your efforts. Kudos 2 U, sir (ma'am?).

As to your comment about NJ police dept. attitudes, well, 102 days for F.I.D. approval (mandate is 30 days here) ought to give you an idea of the trend here, and that's in a town of under 10,000 people.
 

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1. Don't buy a CCP. Buy a high quality firearm.

2. If the things you read about a firearm makes you immediately wonder about their warranty service, select a different firearm.

3. Under Federal law, a gunsmith or warranty repair service can ship the gun you already own directly back to you, since you aren't acquiring a new gun but simply re-taking possession of your property. You can also ship a gun to yourself if you find a carrier willing (hunting trip, for instance).

4. Some states have more stringent laws, and the people to ask are those with the vested interest in getting it right - the mail order gunsmiths and warranty services. So I would simply call Walther, Sig or S&W up and ask them if they return serviced firearms directly back to NJ owners or not.

#1. I have a PPQ, and I consider it a quality product, among others. Even it has had a few hiccups along the way. And my Paslode nailgun needed service too after a few years. Service after the warranty was a factor there too.

#2. Warranty service is one of many things I consider in the purchase of a large number of the things I buy, especially tools of one kind or another. Milwaukee, Porter Cable and Henry Repeating Arms all have good warranty services, yet their products are occasionally in need of work and I still buy them. Ford Motor company on the other hand,,,,,,;)

#3. Federal laws often make more sense than local, this one at least, and I'm hoping that ends up being what takes precedence here. It may not.

#4. Stringent? That's Joisey, all right, you nailed it!! Contacting them directly does make a lot of sense, I just was wondering about it while reading here, so thought to ask here first.

Thanks for your well thought out answers, it's a real help.
 

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pj49, hey, good thinking, I forgot I bought that last year for my son, I'll look into that!
Nappen is a pretty nice guy, at least he comes off that way at the seminars he speaks at.
 

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Number one; Do NOT buy a CCP if warranty work is a concern.

Number 2....see number one.


That said, I trust and believe in a PPS and a P99c often, hint hint.
Thunderbird, as to your reasons 1 and 2, see my response to Handy.

I CAN take a hint, and will consider those, but for now the CCP has the features I'm interested in, as the wifey has trouble with the PPK380 with racking the slide.

Still waiting for your reason number 3. :D
 

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Both off topic. The question is about shipping to and from the manufacturer in New Jersey; not the quality of the CCP as a model.


I spent a couple of hours searching, and so far haven't found anything to directly answer the OP's question.

Off topic a little, perhaps, but still at least referring to my original posting in a sense. I sure don't mind re-reading opinions. It's a major part of why I lurk here.:eek:
 

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Often the reason you can't find a law is because it doesn't exist. States don't publish lists of what is legal.

I checked Robar's website and it says they ship directly back to their customers without reference to any state exceptions - so there likely aren't any. Robar has been in the out-of-state gunsmith business for a long time.

Lots of times it's difficult to find the lists that let you know what's NOT legal, at least here in NJ.

I never heard of Robar, looks like I have more research to do, thank you.
 

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Jackrock, I never even heard of handgunlaw.us, so your response was helpful anyway, I appreciate your efforts. Kudos 2 U, sir (ma'am?).

As to your comment about NJ police dept. attitudes, well, 102 days for F.I.D. approval (mandate is 30 days here) ought to give you an idea of the trend here, and that's in a town of under 10,000 people.

LOL, it's a "sir" if you have to. But I work for a living.

And Handgunlaw.us is probably the single most comprehensive site for states' gun laws and even some knife laws. Gary Slider spends a lot of time on various websites, especially state-specific gun-related sites, to do his constant research. I've seen him on the Colorado Gun Owners forum for instance, when he needed an update on in-vehicle long gun transport. He, along with Steve Aikens, Eric Crist, and Jason Schafer, do a fantastic job keeping that site up to date. As a result, it is usually most shooters' first stop when determining state-level legalities, especially when going out of one's home states.

Sadly, nothing in New Jersey for your question. I think Handy's right in that such a law does not specifically exist (in which case, we would default to Federal law, which allows for mailing without transfer fees).
 

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Interesting note at bottom of:

Firearm Service Procedures - Beretta USA Customer Support

..."In states that require us to return a firearm via an in-state FFL, Beretta will not reimburse any fees associated with the transaction. We recommend that residents of NY, NJ, and CT ship their handguns for service via their local dealer."...
This is excellent information, and the reason I suggested contacting the warranty departments of some of the firearms companies.
 

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I'm in VA and just got my CCP back from the safety recall
I was giving a shipping label from Walther and dropped off at FedEx
My CCP came back to my house by FedEx
No FFL dealer to deal with
Jerry
 
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