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Searched for it and didn't see this posted anywhere else, here.

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Walther has issued a recall of the Walther CCP pistols because of what they call a potential condition in the CCP that can cause the firearm to discharge regardless of the manual safety being engaged or disengaged. Walther has issued a voluntary recall as a result and will be upgrading all affected CCPs in order to remove the risk of a drop-fire.


Walther asks CCP owners to not load or fire their CCP and contact them immediately to arrange for the upgrade to be done to your gun free of charge.
Full article: RECALL NOTICE: Walther CCP Being Recalled Due To Drop Safety Issues


Site admins: You might want to post this where everybody, in every sub-forum, sees it, as I imagine not everybody tracks every sub-forum every day.
 

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I just saw it on the Walther CCP Facebook page and Truth about Guns has posted about it...

I actually sent mine in to have some roll pins replaced, so mine is actually in the shop right now...


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Sounds like what has been discussed here for quite some time. Wonder why there's no affected serial number list.....must mean every CCP is included? I am a bit concerned about sending anything into Ft Smith given their recent track record of not having parts and many of us waiting for months with absolutely no communication from them. Not a great confidence builder!
 

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I had my CCP all cleaned up. I was going to take it tomorrow and trade it in on something that works. Now it's virtually worthless for 3-4 weeks (at the very least) until I get it back. It seems like every time I turn around something else snafu's with the CCP. Maybe the CCP and I simply aren't meant to be together?
 

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As usual with Ft Smith there are no details available related to exact issue or even what the repair is. Umarex absolutely puts a gag on their people.....that is now extremely obvious from my numerous communications with them. The recall is total CCP population.....no serial number segmentation.
 

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It's just "spin". All firearm recalls are "voluntary", both as to the issuance of a notice and as to its compliance by the consumer. There is no such thing as an "involuntary" recall of a gun.

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Owner's need to check to see if their pistol has already had this "fix" made or you will have to pay for shipping. There is a small mark on the bottom of the mag well if your pistol has been screwed around with already.

It seems the drop safety change did skip around over a range of serial numbers and not just begin with a particular number. Or, perhaps this is just noise from those few consistent complainers while those in the know can be assured there are actually no problem pistols.....just problem owners. After all this is a Concealed Carry Pistol. How long ago did this surface????? Quite a long time ago. 1917
 

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It seems the drop safety change did skip around over a range of serial numbers and not just begin with a particular number. Or, perhaps this is just noise from those few consistent complainers while those in the know can be assured there are actually no problem pistols.....just problem owners. After all this is a Concealed Carry Pistol. How long ago did this surface????? Quite a long time ago. 1917

If there's any segmentation to the affected serial numbers Mark at Ft Smith is unaware of what they are.....I asked him directly and his response was that his understanding is that all CCP's are affected unless they have the indication on the mag well.
 

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Or, perhaps this is just noise from those few consistent complainers while those in the know can be assured there are actually no problem pistols.....just problem owners.
I hardly think Walther issued a recall of all CCPs without what they feel to be good cause.
 

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No kidding......only they are a couple of years late. These issues were documented a long time ago.....See item #1 running problem thread. And, from what I read.....not all CCPs are recalled. Each pistol should be checked to see if corrective measures have been taken already or the owner will be responsible for shipping cost. Small ground circle at the rear inner base of the magwell.

From what I remember the drop safety was redesigned somewhere in the 18K range although I remember seeing pictures, reading of issues in pistols with much later serial numbers and which still had the original drop safety installed. As I recall a new slide is required.

Wonder if they will correct the hanging shard of steel adjacent to the striker channel while they have the pistol? I note that issue still persists. 1917



I would not be confident in the function of this pistol with steel parts that could break off and jam or destroy the striker/striker spring. Original drop safety pictured btw.
 

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Wonder if they will correct the hanging shard of steel adjacent to the striker channel while they have the pistol? I note that issue still persists.
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I would not be confident in the function of this pistol with steel parts that could break off and jam or destroy the striker/striker spring. Original drop safety pictured btw.
Let me guess: Owners who've complained about it have been told "This is not a problem. It's normal?"
 

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More than once......:p I've gone over all of this with the Chief Engineer in Arnsberg.....years ago. I've also sent Glenn Seiter an e-mail suggesting that as part of the recall that they might inspect new slides for this issue as I read here it still exists. If the machining can't be adjusted to eliminate the cut through into the striker channel.....at least a close inspection might allow the offending steel shard to be broken off and the inner striker channel be inspected, polished to make sure it is smooth. It is essential to the design of the pistol that the striker not be bound by a broken part or that rough edges inside the striker channel be allowed to damage or bind the striker/ striker spring.

But, it took 10 years for Walther to put a thicker slide on the P22 after replacing a number of broken slides......and sharp trigger bar ears and an improperly designed hammer face still persist on that pistol. I guess in the Umarex world....this CCP recall is pretty fast corrective action. 1917
 

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Can an admin sticky this thread?
 

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No kidding......only they are a couple of years late. These issues were documented a long time ago.....
You are correct re the lengthy delay by Umarex to publicly identify as well as "offer" a remedy and had they bothered to read this Forum perhaps the delay would have been avoided.

Mark was also equally non communicative when I inquired as to whether the issue involved only the manual safety, the physical drop safety or both. As you know this Forum and its administrative managers have both complained and admonished Umarex for their failure to communicate re the CCP specifically....Umarex's position has obviously not changed in that regard.

I am curious re your apparent understanding that there are serial number segments that Umarex/Walther has identified to be involved. Without revealing your source can you describe when those were identified and whether there are identifiable inclusive groups of numbers or that the numbers are truly sporadic across a system wide population? In other words.....Umarex was forced to make it a total recall because the affected serials start at, for example, serial number "000001" and extend to the latest current serial numbers.
 

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No, that is not what I'm saying. I originally followed this pistol pretty closely until I lost interest in it. What I remember are posts where the slide was being hung open, jammed and the offending part was the drop safety falling out of position. As you are aware, you can retract the slide, turn the pistol upside down and have a look at the drop safety or remove the slide to inspect it.

From posts here Walther began to install a revised, more rounded, drop safety in the pistol somewhere around the 18K serial number mark. There were several threads on this, your's among them.....but, subsequent threads showed owners purchasing 24K, 29K, 30K serial number pistols still containing the original drop safety.....this leads me to believe old parts were used until the supply ran out and that there is no definitive SN where the problem ends and corrective measures were made to all CCP firearms.

More light might be shed on this if owners of later SN pistols were to inspect for the mark. Do all new pistols come so marked or only those send in for service prior to this date? I don't know. I'm just pointing out that some pistols have apparently had this corrective work done and are so marked....which is news to me. And, if you send a so marked pistol in it will receive no further corrective measures but that the owner will be charged for shipping.

Years ago Walther revised the extractor in the P22......but pistols showed up for years afterward with the original extractors still be installed. I actually purchased one five years after the fact that still had the original part.....which I found particularly ironic....since I was the one responsible for the changes and from asking VQ to get into the picture as well. It was no problem as I had several of the later extractors....but I found it pretty funny. 1917
 

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Walther takes another black eye. Arnsberg is beating up pretty badly on Ulm as of late.
 

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I believe Member JohnC was the first to post side by side pictures of the original drop safety vs. the revised version. They were good, sharp pictures and I lifted them of course....:).....I just can't find them at present. There were some threads detailing the changes in how the part was more securely fitted to the slide.....Mr. Chandler, as I recall you were all over this but it has been a couple of years ago. I've forgotten the details but I do remember that the new safety with a sharper top, front edge was digging into the frame ..... so I sent pictures to Germany with regard to my concern there.

Anytime a tight tolerance steel part is impacting another portion of steel and at very high speed....there is a potential for further issues. I thought the top of the safety might benefit from a bit more rounding. With exception of secure mounting issues the original drop safety looked like the smoother design with regard to impact on adjacent pistol parts......but, I never purchased one and never fully understood what caused the original failure.

It is a critical part though responsible for catching the cocked striker and as discussed elsewhere.....retracting the slide of a cocked pistol pulls the striker rearward and then releases it ( the bump) so it is absolutely essential these parts work reliably.....and the mim'd hook not break off the bottom of the striker. Should the spring loaded striker get loose allowing the striker spring to power it forward and into a chambered round....that round will ignite. Good luck with it......I'm out of here, again. Now where is my P99? Feel like doing some shooting. 1917

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ccp/43274-anyone-else-notice-change.html

Perhaps the first thread on the change to the drop safety.
 
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