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Got my weapon about 3 weeks ago and already posted on condition, markings, and impressions so on the weekend of 14-15July I went to a Revere's Riders ( like Appleseed ) shoot and brought along the new to me P1.
First impressions: The pistol feels good in my hand and I can effect a natural point of aim without problems. Firing impulse was right in line with my hand and arm and I was putting rounds in the black and mostly center of mass. Cycle of operation was very smooth and I was able to reacquire a sight picture very quickly. I like this pistol very much but this is the good news.
Bad news: I had put about 100-125 rounds of Herter's 115gr 9mm in about 2.5 hours time with either 5 or 10 round magazines ( yea I was 8 and 2 having to do a mag change ) to record groups when about 20 min before lunch I couldn't even hit paper. My coach was telling me to settle down but could not see any changes in my shooting. Fired some more after lunch with no joy on just hitting paper so I switched to my back-up 9mm (CZ-75b) and I was back to nailing the center of mass of the target.
Ugly News: I was camping in a safe area on range and started to clean the weapon and found a 1/32 crack down the whole right side of the slide toward the front sight area going up and down. I have been shooting military weapons since 1976 when I joined the Army as an Infantryman and been an Arms Room Office where my Armorer OJT me to help as second set of hands but I have never seen anything like this before.
What to Do: CDMM has a replacement thick slide for $30 and it seems I can bring the original parts over ( thank you Youtube ), then let a Walther friendly smith take a look at it and give me a Go or No-Go. Or Aim has the upgraded P1s with thick slide and hex-pin and use the old one as a parts gun.
I really like this pistol while it worked, it shot well and I was beginning to start a long relationship with her ( all my weapons are she's but no names ). Any imput would be helpful, as one the coaches suggested I now have a very nice ( and old ) paperweight.
Sorry for being so long winded,
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It sucks, but what else can you do? It is just parts now.

If you can find a good wartime/steel frame, place a NOS heavy slide on it and soldier on.

The cracked slide is a paperweight, I have one of those too.
 

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Got my weapon about 3 weeks ago and already posted on condition, markings, and impressions so on the weekend of 14-15July I went to a Revere's Riders ( like Appleseed ) shoot and brought along the new to me P1.
First impressions: The pistol feels good in my hand and I can effect a natural point of aim without problems. Firing impulse was right in line with my hand and arm and I was putting rounds in the black and mostly center of mass. Cycle of operation was very smooth and I was able to reacquire a sight picture very quickly. I like this pistol very much but this is the good news.
Bad news: I had put about 100-125 rounds of Herter's 115gr 9mm in about 2.5 hours time with either 5 or 10 round magazines ( yea I was 8 and 2 having to do a mag change ) to record groups when about 20 min before lunch I couldn't even hit paper. My coach was telling me to settle down but could not see any changes in my shooting. Fired some more after lunch with no joy on just hitting paper so I switched to my back-up 9mm (CZ-75b) and I was back to nailing the center of mass of the target.
Ugly News: I was camping in a safe area on range and started to clean the weapon and found a 1/32 crack down the whole right side of the slide toward the front sight area going up and down. I have been shooting military weapons since 1976 when I joined the Army as an Infantryman and been an Arms Room Office where my Armorer OJT me to help as second set of hands but I have never seen anything like this before.
What to Do: CDMM has a replacement thick slide for $30 and it seems I can bring the original parts over ( thank you Youtube ), then let a Walther friendly smith take a look at it and give me a Go or No-Go. Or Aim has the upgraded P1s with thick slide and hex-pin and use the old one as a parts gun.
I really like this pistol while it worked, it shot well and I was beginning to start a long relationship with her ( all my weapons are she's but no names ). Any imput would be helpful, as one the coaches suggested I now have a very nice ( and old ) paperweight.
Sorry for being so long winded,
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That is sucks, I am picking mine finally this week (state restriction, one pistol per month) and my ffl told me it is with hex model already even I paid for non hex one. I will shot Winchester 115gr next week-end and I hope it will last little longer than yours ... Sucks anyway, try to call AIM maybe they could exchage your pistol? Try. Also if you paid with amex for it, call them and they could return your money, call cost you nothing but it might give you money back option.
 

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$30 CDNN replacement slide, move parts, continue on.

I'm looking at suggestions of replacing springs and find a forged lock block and read more about what caused the problem and about a fix. Since I'm putting the pistol on the rack so to speak maybe do a take down of the frame and do an inspection and replace parts as needed. I live in Fenwick Island,De and I need to find a Walther friendly Smith to look at the pistol, Glock and S&W Smiths are easy to find but the ones I've asked so far have the deer in headlights look when I ask about working on 60s era P1s. I do want to repair the weapon, I really like the way it shoots and features on a late 30s design that are found on modern pistols of today.
I will post pictures when i figure out how and will post about the repair when it happens.
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.... and I need to find a Walther friendly Smith to look at the pistol, Glock and S&W Smiths are easy to find but the ones I've asked so far have the deer in headlights look when I ask about working on 60s era P1s....
Disassembling and re-assembling a P1 slide doesn’t exactly require the same skills as a Swiss watch. Anyone calling himself a gunsmith should be able to do it no matter whether he fashions himself as some sort of brand specialist. With the correct parts and some basic tools, you can do it yourself; you can find how-to videos on Youtube. However, if you don’t normally work on guns yourself, it might indeed be better to find a gunsmith in case any fitting is necessary.
 

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I'm looking at suggestions of replacing springs and find a forged lock block and read more about what caused the problem and about a fix. Since I'm putting the pistol on the rack so to speak maybe do a take down of the frame and do an inspection and replace parts as needed. ...
You are over-thinking it. Buy a slide, and send it and the broken pistol to M&M. If there is any problem, he'll find it, and let you know; if there is none, you'll get back a serviceable gun. It doesn't get simpler than that --and in the end, it's cheaper.

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Disassembling and re-assembling a P1 slide doesn’t exactly require the same skills as a Swiss watch. Anyone calling himself a gunsmith should be able to do it no matter whether he fashions himself as some sort of brand specialist. With the correct parts and some basic tools, you can do it yourself; you can find how-to videos on Youtube. However, if you don’t normally work on guns yourself, it might indeed be better to find a gunsmith in case any fitting is necessary.

I have to agree. I had never owned, fired, or otherwise used a Beretta 92 series pistol prior to purchasing a used 92S for $199 a couple months ago. Since then I have done more smithing on it than any other weapon I own. I'm no OF but I have replaced every spring, modded grips, replaced the locking block, and replaced a few other parts without too much headache. Youtube can be your friend.
 

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Disassembling and re-assembling a P1 slide doesn’t exactly require the same skills as a Swiss watch. Anyone calling himself a gunsmith should be able to do it no matter whether he fashions himself as some sort of brand specialist. With the correct parts and some basic tools, you can do it yourself; you can find how-to videos on Youtube. However, if you don’t normally work on guns yourself, it might indeed be better to find a gunsmith in case any fitting is necessary.

I agree about how complex it is to take apart the slide and from the Youtube videos I have seen I have the tools and skills needed and have started to price out parts to do the job. I had a bad experience with a local Smith who clamed to know about HK/PTR 91s head space and wanted to grind the bolt face to get the bolt gap back into spec when all it took was +4 rollers. I walked away very quickly. As for working on guns I was a very hands on Arms Room Officer in a Mech Inf BN for 2 years, I was responsible for the inspection and repair for the Company's 1911s, M-60, M-3s ( yes I had two ), M-29a1 mortars, and Dragon trackers so yea I feel comfortable working with weapons. I would like to find a Walther Smith just in case I find a problem I can not safely handle, think 5Ps.


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You are over-thinking it. Buy a slide, and send it and the broken pistol to M&M. If there is any problem, he'll find it, and let you know; if there is none, you'll get back a serviceable gun. It doesn't get simpler than that --and in the end, it's cheaper.

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Is this M&M in Lovettsville Va or in Hazel Green Ala? Either way a great road trip.


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I actually considered picking one of those up for a paperweight.

One place I worked at a P1 paperweight would have gotten me a visit from the Company's Security Dept and an invite from HR about my gun building intent and where was the rest of the weapon. I once left a copy of the older Shotgun News with some adds marked and I was invited to HR for a chat about my feelings and was I troubled by something or need to work off some aggressions. I left soon.


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Got mine today, no hex :) 1965 made. Condition is close to new, not even scratch inside. Will lube it soon and shot on week-end with 115gr white box.
 
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