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I’ve got a P38 made in 1982 (IC code). It’s not import marked in any way and has a simple undotted circle ⭕ on the slide and frame. I’m curious what the circles mean and also that it isn’t import marked or have any ID other than it’s just a Walther P38 (I thought these were all usually marked P1’s after the war). It is unfired in a Walther, faux woodgrain cardboard box
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What can the experts tell me about this pistol.
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May have been made for a European customer and purchased by a US servicemember at a Rod & Gun Club in Germany/Europe. Thus exempt from importer markings and likely also why the serial is only on the slide and not on the frame.
 

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I’m curious what the circles mean
It's a QC stamp applied after the part was inspected.

(I thought these were all usually marked P1’s after the war).
Only the pistols used by the post war German army used the designation P1. Walther continued to use the name P38 for foreign military and commercial sales.
 

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May have been made for a European customer and purchased by a US servicemember at a Rod & Gun Club in Germany/Europe. Thus exempt from importer markings and likely also why the serial is only on the slide and not on the frame.
When I see this P38 with an aluminum frame and hexagonal steel reinforcement, it reminds me with the same quirk that my P4 and P38k bought in 1987 had, namely no serial number on the frame. Both the P4 and the P38k had the aluminum frame reinforced with the hexagonal steel pin. As far as I remember - I no longer have the pistols - both pistols were proofed (and most probably manufactured) in 1976. Again: The P4 and P38k did not have a serial number on the frame either.
Is this a peculiarity of all P38, P4 and P38k with the steel pin in the frame? What do the specialists say about this assumption?
Incidentally, the missing serial number on the frame is now forbidden on newly manufactured pistols in the EU, nowadays all new pistols in the EU must have the serial number on the three main parts, i.e. on the frame, slide and barrel.
 

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The Rod & Gun Club theory makes sense as it would have been brought back by the service member with permission from US authorities. I say this because all firearms imported after 1968 are required to have a serial number on the gun. In the US, the frame is considered to be the "gun". The only way I can see this pistol entering the US without a serial number on the frame is if it was hand carried by the owner and Customs took the paperwork without checking the firearm. In 1987, I flew from Heathrow, England, to Dulles International with three handguns. Customs took the paperwork but did not examine the guns at all. So yes, it does happen. I also shipped East German binoculars made by Carl Zeiss, Jena, which trademark was illegal at the time to be imported into the US. They were shipped in my household goods. If I had carried them with me, Customs may have defaced the trademark had they noticed. At the time, the West German Zeiss company held the sole trademark rights to the Carl Zeiss name. Still do, I'm sure.
 

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I’ve got a P38 made in 1982 (IC code). It’s not import marked in any way and has a simple undotted circle ⭕ on the slide and frame. I’m curious what the circles mean and also that it isn’t import marked or have any ID other than it’s just a Walther P38 (I thought these were all usually marked P1’s after the war). It is unfired in a Walther, faux woodgrain cardboard box View attachment 99825 View attachment 99825 View attachment 99826 View attachment 99826 numbered to the gun.
What can the experts tell me about this pistol. View attachment 99827
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