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Picked up a Q5 SF about two weeks ago to set up as a competition gun for IDPA. The gun is definitely not competition ready out of the box and Walther doesn't produce parts that will make it competition ready so I started looking for aftermarket products. The marketplace is very sparsely inhabited.

The gun is deadly accurate and the sights are nice but other then that it is a "one size fits all" gun. Things I haven't found that would fine tune this gun for my style of competitive shooting of match grade (low power factor) ammo are as follows:

1. Adjustable trigger - Apex has no time frame for the one it is supposed to be producing.

2. Various weights of recoil springs (preferably captured) so you can tune the gun to the ammo you are shooting.

3. Grips - Again we have a "one size fits all" scenario. Grips on this gun are for a medium size hand only.

If Walther wants to enter the competitive shooting market (which it seems they want to do) they need to understand that all serious competition shooters fine tune their guns. One size fits all doesn't cut it. Walther has lost a great deal of market share to Sig, Glock, CZ, and S&W because of this. The aftermarket industry isn't going to come up with product for a pricey gun that not many people are going to buy compared to those of other firearms manufacturers.

Anyone else out there have this problem with the Q5 SF?:confused:
 

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Somewhat agree.

I can live with the trigger and look at it as a training challenge. I was used to SS triggers, but am adapting. Unless your stages routinely have 25yd+ partials, it really shouldn’t make that much of a difference with some practice.

Recoil spring could be a tad lighter, but with a caveat. If you are using stock mags, then a lighter spring is needed. Aftermarket extensions, like TT+5s, change the balance a little and the stock spring is not so bad...after a couple thousand rounds.

Grips. Hell yes. Need grip options. What surprises me is that the Walther line in general prides itself on great ergonomics. Then, why on their premier platform, not offer options? I have three choices with a PPQ, but none on the SF? I need a thinner option, or an extended mag release, or both. Can I make the stock grip work? Of course. Should I have options on a flagship pistol? Definitely.

I really like the SF. Shoots accurately, and is built with the shooting sports in mind. Just wish I had some options. I realize as an early adopter I will have to wait for the aftermarket to catch up. I kind of feel like that Walther is missing the boat in not offering those options up front.


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I have three choices with a PPQ, but none on the SF?
I didn't like any of the grip panels, that came with my Q5 poly, so I ground down and re-stippled the medium one. It's much more comfortable to me, without that back palm swell.
 

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As for the trigger, Apex is the only game in town, however, I did read in a thread that another manufacture is about to release an offering. With that said, Sprinco offers a 'tactical spring kit'....which consist of a lighter trigger return spring and FPB spring for he PPQ Q5 Match 'polymer' pistol. He may be working on a kit for the SF as well....you'll need to call and talk to Alan.

As for recoil springs, I and may others have been using a 'steel' guide rod and springs from Wilson Combat. This has been covered on this forum already. Quite a few threads on the SF, addressing all the issues you brought up, and some remedies. Including grips.

As a note, the aftermarket doesn't provide many options for the Q's. If you need any factory parts, you'll need to contact Walther in Fort Smith or Earl's Repair Service. The only things you'll find readily available for the Q's are recoil assemblies/rods/springs and sights.

Enjoy your time here.....All your questions and concerns have already been addressed elsewhere in previous threads, you'll need to spend some time looking around on the site.

I'll make it a little easier for ya....here's a link to a 'google' search of this site for the SF. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQVciezZ4p7DBgprxDidS3SkI7sxg:1568976780334&source=hp&ei=jK-EXdydEYO6tQW0rKn4CA&q=Walther+PPQ+Q5+SF+site:waltherforums.com&oq=Walther+PPQ+Q5+SF+site:waltherforums.com&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3202.20757..21078...0.0..0.139.3747.35j6......0....1..gws-wiz.....10..35i362i39j35i39j0i131j0j0i10j0i3j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i160j33i299.IECu4qiitEI&ved=0ahUKEwjck5n9nd_kAhUDXa0KHTRWCo8Q4dUDCAg&uact=5
 

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I have install the Sprinco recoil reducer guide rod kit, the Sprinco trigger spring kit and the LOK g10 Boggie grip panels. The SF doesn't need anymore aftermarket accessories. After 15000 rds this gun shoots great,trigger pull at 2.76 to 3lbs ,Syntec 150gr shoots perfect no malfunctions. Easily makes 25yd head shots with ,21 spits. Would not want the trigger any lighter or smoother. LOK grips are perfect(almost too much grip) Very reliable!! Now if some company can make a red dot optic that will last!!!!
 

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Picked up a Q5 SF about two weeks ago to set up as a competition gun for IDPA. The gun is definitely not competition ready out of the box and Walther doesn't produce parts that will make it competition ready so I started looking for aftermarket products. The marketplace is very sparsely inhabited.

The gun is deadly accurate and the sights are nice but other then that it is a "one size fits all" gun. Things I haven't found that would fine tune this gun for my style of competitive shooting of match grade (low power factor) ammo are as follows:

1. Adjustable trigger - Apex has no time frame for the one it is supposed to be producing.

2. Various weights of recoil springs (preferably captured) so you can tune the gun to the ammo you are shooting.

3. Grips - Again we have a "one size fits all" scenario. Grips on this gun are for a medium size hand only.

If Walther wants to enter the competitive shooting market (which it seems they want to do) they need to understand that all serious competition shooters fine tune their guns. One size fits all doesn't cut it. Walther has lost a great deal of market share to Sig, Glock, CZ, and S&W because of this. The aftermarket industry isn't going to come up with product for a pricey gun that not many people are going to buy compared to those of other firearms manufacturers.

Anyone else out there have this problem with the Q5 SF?:confused:
All the options you want are out there! I have an Apex in one of my poly Q5's ,people shoot both guns and they still pick the SF trigger now,not just my opinion.its theirs
 

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Just to be clear, the Apex trigger is not yet an option for the SF. Hopefully it will be soon.

The other company making noises about an upcoming SF trigger is Overwatch Precision.

LOK grips makes an aftermarket grip for the SF. They are purported to be working on different sizes but the last I heard they are only shipping one size.
 

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There are damn few guns "out of the box" that are "competition ready"unless you're maybe looking at Wilson or Atlas coin. Most others are going to need to be tinkered to your satisfaction.
I tinkered my SF, shot it's first IDPA match today, shooting a USPSA match in two weeks and a level4 IDPA match in 3 weeks.
The gun is ready, all I need to do is my part.
And I'm coming from a highly tuned optic 1911 so none of that is said lightly.
 

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LOK Grips

I checked out LOK grips and the downside might be the weight. If you are an IDPA shooter there is a weight restriction on the gun you shoot of 43 oz. for both SSP and ESP divisions. The gun is weighed with your physically largest empty magazine prior to a sanctioned match (tier 2 and above) and must make the weight to qualify.

The 2 grips LOK makes for the Q5 SF weigh a little more then the factory grips and may put the gun over the weight limit since the gun with an empty mag is pretty close to the weight limit already (mine weighs 42.8 oz.with my mag extension).

It's something to think about.:eek:
 

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I checked out LOK grips and the downside might be the weight. If you are an IDPA shooter there is a weight restriction on the gun you shoot of 43 oz. for both SSP and ESP divisions. The gun is weighed with your physically largest empty magazine prior to a sanctioned match (tier 2 and above) and must make the weight to qualify.

The 2 grips LOK makes for the Q5 SF weigh a little more then the factory grips and may put the gun over the weight limit since the gun with an empty mag is pretty close to the weight limit already (mine weighs 42.8 oz.with my mag extension).

It's something to think about.:eek:

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Thanks for the order and review David!
We needed to make the grips hollow to stay close to the stock weight. Since these are used largely for competition, most of our customers are concerned about the weight.

We can also make the backstrap solid if you prefer. Just let us know by leaving a note at checkout.

We usually make stock-like grips first, since most customers just want something with better grip.
We are working on grips with a much smaller hump that may suit you. Keep following us on IG & FB, we always post our new models there first. 😎👍
 

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From LOK grips.

Thanks for the order and review David!
We needed to make the grips hollow to stay close to the stock weight. Since these are used largely for competition, most of our customers are concerned about the weight.

We can also make the backstrap solid if you prefer. Just let us know by leaving a note at checkout.

We usually make stock-like grips first, since most customers just want something with better grip.
We are working on grips with a much smaller hump that may suit you. Keep following us on IG & FB, we always post our new models there first. 😎👍
Good post Keith. Good info.

I know how grips fit a hand is a personal thing but how do you compare the LOK grips to the factory grips?
 

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Good post Keith. Good info.

I know how grips fit a hand is a personal thing but how do you compare the LOK grips to the factory grips?
The LOK grips have twice the grip of stock grips. With stock grips I would shoot 1000 to 1500 rds on a Saturday ,hands would be tired no sore,with the LOK grips 600rds and my hands and weak hand palm is sore and tender. The LOK grips make the gun very easy to hold gun steady and control recoil very good. When shooting the dot never leaves the viewing window during recoil,makes it easier for fast accurate doubles.
 

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The LOK grips have twice the grip of stock grips. With stock grips I would shoot 1000 to 1500 rds on a Saturday ,hands would be tired no sore,with the LOK grips 600rds and my hands and weak hand palm is sore and tender. The LOK grips make the gun very easy to hold gun steady and control recoil very good. When shooting the dot never leaves the viewing window during recoil,makes it easier for fast accurate doubles.
Thanks for the response Upsman. So they are "grippier" than the standard OEM grips. Good.
 

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Overwatch Precision confirms they are working on an PPQ SF trigger. They are expecting to have the trigger available in early 2020. That is as specific a timeframe as they would give.
 

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Anyone have any experience with an outfit called Stainless Steel Guide Rods? From what I can gather they are located in Florida and appear to be a husband and wife operating a business from a cell phone. I tried ordering a captured spring guide rod for my Q5 but customer service is virtually non existent. If you call them all you get is voicemail and if you email them you mostly get an automated reply.

Anyone else ever use these folks?
 

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I've used them in the past...have a few of their rods. I never had a problem calling and ordering.

As a side note, they use 'red' loctite on the screw, making it very difficult (for me anyway) to remove the screw to change springs. When I call to order, I specify NO loctite, and just finger tight on the screw.
 

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Anyone have any experience with an outfit called Stainless Steel Guide Rods? From what I can gather they are located in Florida and appear to be a husband and wife operating a business from a cell phone. I tried ordering a captured spring guide rod for my Q5 but customer service is virtually non existent. If you call them all you get is voicemail and if you email them you mostly get an automated reply.
Anyone else ever use these folks?
I've purchased from them a few times and never had a problem. Always answered the phone or returned a voicemail promptly.
Great products too. I run one in my Q5. I did have an issue with the part of their guide rod, peening where it contacts the barrel and they replaced it immediately. I sent the faulty one back, for them to examine. No problems with the new one so far, but only have a few hundred rounds on it.
 

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I've used them in the past...have a few of their rods. I never had a problem calling and ordering.

As a side note, they use 'red' loctite on the screw, making it very difficult (for me anyway) to remove the screw to change springs. When I call to order, I specify NO loctite, and just finger tight on the screw.
If you heat the screw it tends to break the seal of the red Locktite and you can remove the screw. There is a product I use when gunsmithing on parts that get hot. It's called Rocksett. It has the same characteristics as blue 242 Locktite but is heat resistant.
 
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