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Does anybody know if the DPM recoil reduction system work with the Q5 Match SF. I cannot find any info that shows that they make it for the SF. I hope that the polymer version works for the SF. I have tried the Sprinco system for the polymer version but I want to try the DPM if it will work on the SF.
Thanks

 

[imaoldfart]

The Walther factory part number for the RSA is different for the PPQ and PPQ SF. It'd be my guess trying to put a PPQ/Q5 RSA in an SF will probably not work. Could be different spring assembly dimensions, or spring rate.

I think your best bet is to wait and see if DPM will start offering a recoil spring assembly, specifically for the SF. Frankly, I don't see that happening.

 

[chandler5566]

My understanding is that the SF is identical to the polymer version with the exception of the steel frame and steel guide rod. If that is correct then according to DPM their product should fit both.

https://dpmsystems.com/walther-p99qr-ppqppq-m2-long-slide-9mm-40sw-357sig

 

[mr2serious]

I had the DPM system in my polymer Q5. Found a post on Instagram that said the same system with a little modification would fit in the SF. I tried and it worked. The difference is that the take down lever on the SF had a little notch. The "guide rod" needs to have a hole so that the notch fits in. The last two pics are mine.
Shot a match this past Sunday and had no problems. I keep my stock guide rod in my bag in case.

*yes, my finger is dirty. It's from changing my engine oil and transmission fluid today =P

 

[romeo_alpha01]

I had the DPM system in my polymer Q5. Found a post on Instagram that said the same system with a little modification would fit in the SF. I tried and it worked. The difference is that the take down lever on the SF had a little notch. The "guide rod" needs to have a hole so that the notch fits in. The last two pics are mine.
Shot a match this past Sunday and had no problems. I keep my stock guide rod in my bag in case.

*yes, my finger is dirty. It's from changing my engine oil and transmission fluid today =P

Did you notice any discernible difference when using the guide rod? I realize its a "recoil reducer" but is it enough to warrant the change? Curious to buy one for the Q5 SF, P99, and P88.


Off topic, MR2 as in SW20? I used to own one back in the day

 

[grumpy1]

I though the steel frame was the recoil reduction system.

 

[Darks1d3]

The DPM recoil reduction system is a waste of money on the polymer frame version. Can't see it doing any better on the SF version.

 

[chandler5566]

The DPM recoil reduction system is a waste of money on the polymer frame version. Can't see it doing any better on the SF version.

Other shooters using the DPM have reported different results and opinions.

 

[mr2serious]

Did you notice any discernible difference when using the guide rod? I realize its a "recoil reducer" but is it enough to warrant the change? Curious to buy one for the Q5 SF, P99, and P88.


Off topic, MR2 as in SW20? I used to own one back in the day

I'll have to put the stock guide rod back in and try it again this Saturday. I've only shot it two times total (two separate days at the range). I was just happy to shoot an all steel again. I really dislike the Q5 poly, even with the DPM system. I think it might have the grip or grip surface.

I used to shoot a shadow one, switched to the Q5 poly for the Walther contingency for Area 4 this year. After shooting the Q5 poly for awhile. I feel it was not the gun for me. In my shadow I have the DPM system and I love it. That's why I got one for the Q5 poly. With my Shadow, I also had the Henning contour grip. The grip on the Q5 SF is similar in texture and width to the Henning contour grips on my Shadow.

Hey, I started shooting and wanted to get better. Did a bit of research and found out about the DPM system; got me curious so I purchased one and gave it a try. It did help a little with recoil management but it was more about feel. I liked the feedback I got from it. I know it's probably not for everyone. I've also tried the Sprinco recoil system. I used to have that in my Canik SFX. It used the same recoil setup as a Q5. One of the Walther shooters is actually using the Sprinco recoil system in his Walthers. It was in his Q5 poly and then he put it in his Q5 SF. He even helped design the spring kit (trigger return spring and plunger spring?) with Sprinco.

Yes, MR2 as in the SW20. I fell in love with that car back in High school. Sadly, i did not have one. This has been my SN since then =D

 

[romeo_alpha01]

I'll have to put the stock guide rod back in and try it again this Saturday. I've only shot it two times total (two separate days at the range). I was just happy to shoot an all steel again. I really dislike the Q5 poly, even with the DPM system. I think it might have the grip or grip surface.

I used to shoot a shadow one, switched to the Q5 poly for the Walther contingency for Area 4 this year. After shooting the Q5 poly for awhile. I feel it was not the gun for me. In my shadow I have the DPM system and I love it. That's why I got one for the Q5 poly. With my Shadow, I also had the Henning contour grip. The grip on the Q5 SF is similar in texture and width to the Henning contour grips on my Shadow.

Hey, I started shooting and wanted to get better. Did a bit of research and found out about the DPM system; got me curious so I purchased one and gave it a try. It did help a little with recoil management but it was more about feel. I liked the feedback I got from it. I know it's probably not for everyone. I've also tried the Sprinco recoil system. I used to have that in my Canik SFX. It used the same recoil setup as a Q5. One of the Walther shooters is actually using the Sprinco recoil system in his Walthers. It was in his Q5 poly and then he put it in his Q5 SF. He even helped design the spring kit (trigger return spring and plunger spring?) with Sprinco.

Yes, MR2 as in the SW20. I fell in love with that car back in High school. Sadly, i did not have one. This has been my SN since then =D

Report back when you do. Interested to hear what perceived difference you really feel.

Miss my Gen 2 btw. Factory 3SGTE in Silver. Wouldn’t mind another one .

 

[mr2serious]

Report back when you do. Interested to hear what perceived difference you really feel.

Miss my Gen 2 btw. Factory 3SGTE in Silver. Wouldn’t mind another one .

Finally had a chance to test the recoil springs at a local match today. The slide return was smoother with the DPM system vs the stock recoil spring/rod. I'm not sure if I'm using the correct term. The gun feels better with the DPM system. I'm a "feels" type of user. This goes back to my billiards playing days. It helps me. My wrists are not the strongest and my hands are smedium.

The video is not too scientific. I recorded my friend shooting my gun. He was sitting down on a stool. He gripped the gun with the same amount of pressure he usually does shooting his Glock 34 and Glock 35 (5in barrel in 9mm and .40). He was shooting my ammo, which is American Eagle 115gr Aluminum (132-137 PF). I usually shoot factory rounds at club matches.

Here's the vid:
https://youtu.be/bZaITdVM5sU

 

[chandler5566]

Did you shoot all 2/3 springs and which one did you feel was best?

 

[mr2serious]

Did you shoot all 2/3 springs and which one did you feel was best?

My kit came with 3 springs. I only used the shortest spring (which is supposedly the lightest) since I would be shooting 147 or 150gr at Level 2 matches. The reason is that I've done the same in my Shadow for a year and just copying what works.

I'll try out the other 2 springs after Area 4.

 

[chandler5566]

Here's a thread I started re the DPM that you might be interested in reading.

https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/70434-dpm-ppq-45-a.html

 

[WaterDR]

Did you shoot all 2/3 springs and which one did you feel was best?

My kit came with 3 springs. I only used the shortest spring (which is supposedly the lightest) since I would be shooting 147 or 150gr at Level 2 matches. The reason is that I've done the same in my Shadow for a year and just copying what works.

I'll try out the other 2 springs after Area 4.

How do you like the SF compared to your Shadow?

 

[mr2serious]

How do you like the SF compared to your Shadow?

I would say it's about 80-85% of my Shadow. This is because of three things, two which can be fixed in the near future with the release of factory or after market part. Also, I have smaller hands so my issues may not apply to everyone.

• needs an extended mag release
• needs smaller (thinner) grip
• the damn frame is too short

I shaved the top of the grip panel a bit today and then somewhat stippled it for some grip. It feels better for my index finger and thumb. I could have shaved the whole grip panel down but my amateur stippling is not as aggressive as the factory texture.

The damn frame is too short. This is also a problem for me with the polymer. When I reload with the stock walther magazine I usually pinch my hand. To combat this issue, I use Canik TP9 mags. The Canik mags are longer than the Walther mags so there is a gap that saves me from the pinching.

Even with these small nuisances, I enjoy shooting the gun. Once the extended mag release and thinner grips are released it'll be very difficult to choose which gun to shoot for Production if there is no Walther contingency at a match.

pictures: https://imgur.com/a/Uu0R2dL

 

[imaoldfart]

M2S, I've used many different brands of mags in my Q's. On the Q's the baseplate eliminates 'over insertion' of the magazine. Remove the slide from the frame. Insert a factory Walther magazine into the magwell, push it all the way up, hard. look for clearance between the top rim of the magazine and the ejector. You'll see light, or a slight gap. Now insert one of those canik mags into the magwell, push it up slowly....you'll probably see the magazine smacking into the ejector.

To solve this, you need to manufacture a sleeve, to slide down over the magazine to provide a positive stop.

Here's a sleeve I made. I use this on my Beretta 30 round mags, Sig P226 20 round mags, Canik mags, etc.

 

[Cannoli]

Does anybody know if the DPM recoil reduction system work with the Q5 Match SF. I cannot find any info that shows that they make it for the SF. I hope that the polymer version works for the SF. I have tried the Sprinco system for the polymer version but I want to try the DPM if it will work on the SF.
Thanks

It works after you drill a little hole in the head plate, see instagram refrence. But, the recoil system by DPM is doing nothing for comfort or against muzzle flip, but slide return is faster, hence you run into dipping of muzzle, an overalll floppy sensation.

 

[chandler5566]

But, the recoil system by DPM is doing nothing for comfort or against muzzle flip, but slide return is faster, hence you run into dipping of muzzle, an overalll floppy sensation.

If you read post #23 and my own post #23 in the thread listed below you will see that we would disagree with your position. The shortest spring of the three free springs provided in the kit reduces overall recoil spring strength sufficiently to minimize or eliminate the downward motion of the overall muzzle flip. That is typical of any reduced strength RS. You just need to be careful not to take the spring too low which of course has potentially negative effects of its own.

https://www.waltherforums.com/forum/ppq/70434-dpm-ppq-45-a-3.html