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I'm jumping into the RMR waters, but not the deep end. After using a Burris FF III as a backup on a scoped AR for a while, I'm wanting to try it on a handgun.

Factoring-in the cost of the gun, having my 5" Q's slide milled puts me over the cost of an on-sale Q5 and will never be as solid as the Walther factory dovetail. I don't like it.

A new Q5 is expensive and would have me doubled-up on 5" Qs... I'd have to sell one of my favorite guns. I don't like it.

The Q4 TAC is NEW! It's way less than a Q5! I don't have a 4" PPQ... I also don't have a Class lll which makes the threaded barrel nothing more than an ugly stub. A 4" replacement barrel is another $200+... brings the cost up to Q5 territory again. Dang.

Glock MOS, M&P 2.0, FN... all optic-ready and all relatively expensive. Also, I'm not a fan of any of those platforms, don't have a stash of magazines to work in those platforms, or holsters, etc.

The Canik TP9SFx is an optic-ready version of the TP9S-whatever that made such a splash a few yrs ago... I wasn't paying a lot of attention back then because it was (to me) just a cheap rip on my beloved P99. NOW I'm paying attention... a good couple hundo less than any other optic-ready handgun AND a familiar platform! I think I'm IN... What say you?

The use of this gun is basically as a range toy, maybe take it to some classes. It's not a SD, EDC, or HD weapon, so you can see why I'm hesitant to spend a ton of money on it. If things work out to my liking I'd be willing to invest more dough, especially as the rmr technology gets better, smaller, and more durable.
 

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Only reservation about the Canik is that they have had some parts breakage reported and support is less than stellar by reports.
 

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Got my popcorn ready for this one.

Only thing I suggest addressing is that whatever you choose keep in mind that you can get Cabela's gift cards for 20% off through ebay. You can also get decent distributor pricing through Big Daddy Unlimited.



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This is easy. Its obvious that money is the prime factor. Go with the Canik TP9SFx. I've seen em', I've shot em'. I don't believe you'll find a better combo for the money. The only other question is 'which optic'. I've got a Viper Vortex, Delta Point Pro and a Shield RMS. My pick is the Shield....I picked up my Shield here https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=8097 Looks like they're out of the 4 MOA at the moment.
 

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The TP9SFX is $700 at Cabela's with the Vortex Viper. If you buy enough eBay gift cards that comes out to $560 before tax. Sub $600 for a pistol and red dot is nuts

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Unless you are looking at price, then Walther, all the way.
 

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Don’t forget about resale. Spending $200 more for the Walther will make up for itself when you dumb the canik which resale is likely crumby.
 

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The Q4 TAC is NEW! It's way less than a Q5! I don't have a 4" PPQ... I also don't have a Class lll which makes the threaded barrel nothing more than an ugly stub. A 4" replacement barrel is another $200+... brings the cost up to Q5 territory again. Dang.
In my opinion, one of the only reasons to go with a long slide model would be for the longer sight radius. A red dot sight makes that advantage moot. I find that the standard slide length pistols balance better in my hands.

I'm curious what your issue is with the Q4, that has you preferring the Q5?
 

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Those who purchase Turkish Caniks

Have often training as mechanics

To those who do not have such training

Be warned before you start complaining


Balor
 

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Just know that if you buy from Cabelas you will NOT be able to try the trigger prior to be escorted out of the building after you pay for the weapon. Their new policy is trigger guards on all weapons, forever, until handed to you after you leave their building. Thank the morons at Bass Pro for that policy.
 

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Every tp9sfx I've shot had reliability issues, I've never owned one but have shot 3 and all 3 jammed... More than 3 times in 50 rounds. I recently bought a q4 and have had a q5 for over a year and I prefer the ppq in the long slide and prefer the lightening cuts of the q5 because the ppq has a large slide for a pistol of its size and the reduced weight and lighter recoil spring helps it cycle faster with slight less recoil. I don't notice a substantial difference in the trigger but the q5 is slightly smoother and more refined but it is marginal. The threaded barrel on the q4 is nice plus you get 2 recoil springs. A threaded barrel for a q5 will set you back like 300 bucks so if that is important to you go for the q4. I prefer the q5 and may end up selling the q4 as I have czs with threaded barrels time tell. That's my 2 cents the ppq is worth the extra money over the canik imo
 

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I own a 5” PPQ in 9mm and 40sw along with a TP9sfx with a Vortex Viper mounted on it.
Like you I was interested in entering the world of shooting pistols with red dots. The SFX was a no brainer for me because it’s basically a Walther PPQ 5” and the price was right. My SFX has performed flawlessly with every type of ammo I’ve feed it. The trigger is wonderful as well just like the PPQ.
The SFX shoots flatter as well. I know everyone and their mom complains about the muzzle flip with PPQ’s in general, but if you shoot the 40sw PPQ then shoot the 9mm PPQ it would become very apparent the 9mm doesn’t have any muzzle flip.:rolleyes:
Back to the SFX....I prefer the ergo’s of the Walther.

The SFX is hard to beat for the price, but at the end of the day I don’t like shooting pistols with optics and prefer iron sights. So my SFX sits in the safe because I like shooting my 5” PPQ’s more.
 

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The Q4 TAC is NEW! It's way less than a Q5! I don't have a 4" PPQ... I also don't have a Class lll which makes the threaded barrel nothing more than an ugly stub. A 4" replacement barrel is another $200+... brings the cost up to Q5 territory again. Dang.
In my opinion, one of the only reasons to go with a long slide model would be for the longer sight radius. A red dot sight makes that advantage moot. I find that the standard slide length pistols balance better in my hands.

I'm curious what your issue is with the Q4, that has you preferring the Q5?
This is a very important and interesting point.

I don’t know if it’s entirely accurate. For example, I am willing to bet that a 5” with an RMR is still more accurate than a 4” but it may be also very minor indeed.

The sight radius point is very valid I think. Be interesting to start seeing some 3” guns with rmrs. I am willing to bet they might make the gun much more usable.
 
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