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Buying something rare on the international market might be the way to go, but import duties/costs can be 20-30%, much like those domestic, high end auctions. I bought a SIG P210 seven years ago from a dealer in Switzerland, and was a bit surprised by all the import stuff, but learned my lesson. Even so, I can get it all back now if I ever decide to sell.

The trick is buying a few before doing the paperwork. Adding a 2nd, 3rd, 4th.....gun to the Export/Import documents adds VERY little to the bottom line. I grabbed an ex-DeutscheBank Munich branch security P5 to import with my Lang.


If I were to sell the DeutscheBank P5 now (~1 year later) it would cover the cost of that P5, AND recoup all my Export/Import fees on both guns.
 

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As far as import marks, the importer is required to mark them as prescribed by BATFE, but if those marks are lost during "refinishing" by the end user/owner, I believe that that is not a crime or violation of the import/marking laws. The shallow, laser engraved import marks on the bottom of the mag well could very easily be "lost", and if all laws have been complied with along the way, that would surely be a shame......
 

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As far as import marks, the importer is required to mark them as prescribed by BATFE, but if those marks are lost during "refinishing" by the end user/owner, I believe that that is not a crime or violation of the import/marking laws. The shallow, laser engraved import marks on the bottom of the mag well could very easily be "lost", and if all laws have been complied with along the way, that would surely be a shame......

I would expect a reputable refinisher to replace any/all required markings on a firearm.


I would even expect a DIYer who wants to keep the BATFE off their butt to retain all these markings.
 

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I would have been a bidder if TAI had posted that NIB Lang with a 5k min bid. If you REALLY wanted a Lang, that was the time to act. Not many come up for sale in the US. I found a used one for sale in Europe and grabbed it.


Post up some pics of that Lang package when it arrives, looked nice in the GB pics.
That what I kept on saying to myself and couldn’t pass it up. First one I’ve personally seen for sale in the States. I bought the the “Walther: A German Success Story” book a week before I saw the listing. That just fueled my desire to want one even more. I’ll post the pics the day I get it. Already bought and received the Nill target grips and can’t wait to get her dressed up!
 

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That what I kept on saying to myself and couldn’t pass it up. First one I’ve personally seen for sale in the States. I bought the the “Walther: A German Success Story” book a week before I saw the listing. That just fueled my desire to want one even more. I’ll post the pics the day I get it. Already bought and received the Nill target grips and can’t wait to get her dressed up!

Hahaha, I had the Nill Target grips before the Lang too. Looking forward to seeing yours.
 

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I would expect a reputable refinisher to replace any/all required markings on a firearm.


I would even expect a DIYer who wants to keep the BATFE off their butt to retain all these markings.
With all due respect, I personally would have to seriously consider the price that any refinisher would have to charge to insure that ALL markings on a firearm to be polished, blasted, or refinished in a any way be retained. If markings were light , it would involve engraving to deepen light markings ,and this mght be cost prohibitive. To EXPECT a refinisher to include this would also have an expectation of a very high cost to do so. So, depending on what a person is expecting to pay, refinishing might be out of the question, or a compromise on what markings are retained, to be the issue at hand.
 

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As far as import marks, the importer is required to mark them as prescribed by BATFE, but if those marks are lost during "refinishing" by the end user/owner, I believe that that is not a crime or violation of the import/marking laws. The shallow, laser engraved import marks on the bottom of the mag well could very easily be "lost", and if all laws have been complied with along the way, that would surely be a shame......
A registered firearms importer has to mark firearms with his name, city and state. He also has to comply with all other import rules, like retrofitting certain firearms with a safety or complying with the points and minimum dimension requirements.

There is no law that I am aware of, that does not allow the end user to return the firearm to the original condition, i.e. remove a safety, target grips, magazine, fixed barrel extensions or import markings to comply with the minimum size requirements. The serial number is, of course, a different thing. Obliterating it would cause legal problems.
 

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I would expect a reputable refinisher to replace any/all required markings on a firearm.


I would even expect a DIYer who wants to keep the BATFE off their butt to retain all these markings.
I’ve had 4 pistols “restored” by Glenrock Blue. All 4 has the import marks removed. Some had roll marks deepened and 1 had the serial number (which was stenciled) removed and re-engraved. It was one of those surplus 3” Manurhin MR73’s. When I had sent in my first to be done (SIG P210), he called me and offered to have the import marks removed. I was surprised as I just always assumed there were laws against this. I trusted his decision though, as he’s known for working on high end firearms and some reputable 1911 makers.
I’ll try try and post some before and after picks. I’ve also tried to look into the exact laws, but it’s kind of vague. Jim
If I did this correctly, the before pic is a stock photo. Couldn’t find my original pics.
 

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.......When I had sent in my first to be done (SIG P210), he called me and offered to have the import marks removed. I was surprised as I just always assumed there were laws against this. I trusted his decision though, as he’s known for working on high end firearms and some reputable 1911 makers......

I always thought there were laws requiring the retention of import markings too. This is good to know.
 

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I always thought there were laws requiring the retention of import markings too. This is good to know.
The federal law applies only to licensed importers and manufacturers, and does not require the retention of ANY markings (except the serial number) by a dealer or an end user.

In 50 years I've never seen an actual BATF prosecution over the issue of whether an import marking was "conspicuous", as that is purely a matter of opinion and lacks prosecutorial appeal.

BATF has taken the position that if the grips have to be removed to find the marking, that is not "conspicuous" (which is hard to argue with). Many years of disputes with importers over whether markings were legible, or large enough or deep enough finally led BATF to promulgate, a decade or so ago, a regulation specifying marking requirements in greater detail. This is found at 27 CFR 478.92.

However: state laws do not necessarily follow the same path. There are some state statutes which prohibit removal of "manufacturer's" identification markings, so before proceeding one needs to check those laws as well.

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Seems like these laws are written in such a manner that, it's NOT a problem, unless we WANT it to be. I always like to proceed on the side of caution when dealing with items involving Federal agencies.
I'm funny that way.
 

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The federal law applies only to licensed importers and manufacturers, and does not require the retention of ANY markings (except the serial number) by a dealer or an end user.

In 50 years I've never seen an actual BATF prosecution over the issue of whether an import marking was "conspicuous", as that is purely a matter of opinion and lacks prosecutorial appeal.

BATF has taken the position that if the grips have to be removed to find the marking, that is not "conspicuous" (which is hard to argue with). Many years of disputes with importers over whether markings were legible, or large enough or deep enough finally led BATF to promulgate, a decade or so ago, a regulation specifying marking requirements in greater detail. This is found at 27 CFR 478.92.

However: state laws do not necessarily follow the same path. There are some state statutes which prohibit removal of "manufacturer's" identification markings, so before proceeding one needs to check those laws as well.

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Thank you for that info!
 

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Nice New Old Stock condition Commercial P5, with all papers, box, 2nd mag, ending in 8 hours, 1k min bid has not been made.


Nice 6th Var (final Var) P5 for the price.


If nobody bids on it, I'll place the min bid. I have lots of room in my new safe.
 

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Crappy photo, but the SN for the barrel doesn’t appear to match. Nor does the manual.
 

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There is a bunch of L102A1's available as a lot; 11 for $45,000. I think that is a bit high as a lot. If an investor was to buy the lot, he would expect to make a profit selling them individually, and I would expect individual pricing to be somewhere between $3200 - $3500, based on a recent pricing and sale. To make a fair profit, the lot might be worth $27,000-$30,000. What do you all think?
 

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Agreed, based on the few that I have seen for sale the last number of years. Good luck with your negotiations, matquig
 
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