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I shot both my PPX and my friend's CREED yesterday, and here are my observations. Both were 9mm. 100 rounds each gun.

1) The CREED's size is a little smaller than the PPS namely the slide, but not that much. Frame and grip size are very similar.
2) The CREED's is more ergo. The palm swells fill out a little more, and I thought the purchase was a tad better than the PPX
3) The CREED's trigger pull was equal to my PPX (from start to break, and quite crisp). The reset click was a little more audible and palpable
4) Size of sights are equal. Very easy to acquire targets with both
5) Accuracy was equal. For both pistols and two-handed shooting, I blew out the bulls eyes on targets 7-10 yards out with 1.5-in groups.

My PPX 8 months ago cost $350 total (CDNN purchase, S&H, and FFL fee). PPX's are were going for $250 on CDNN and Gunbuyer about 2 months ago. My friend's CREED cost $420 total.

Will I buy a CREED? Definitely not. The extra cost right now doesn't justify the small extra in looks and performance. I'll pass unless I see one going for the price of a PPX.
 

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I don't think the CREED was intended to entice current PPX owners to dump their PPX for a CREED. I believe the CREED is meant to occupy that 'entry level' price point....simply replacing the PPX. The CREED appears to be nothing more than an improved PPX....and should have been given the 'M2' qualifier.....a PPX M2.

Its simply a pistol priced to appeal to guys who's wives place budget restrictions on their udder half's gun allowance. Or simply a price point to attract budget minded buyers.
 

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All the more reason not to buy the CREED but get the PPX if you can find one from a good seller. As I stated, the CREED offers nothing significantly more other than a higher price point. My PPX is keeper.
 

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I kind of hate I let two of my PPXs go but I don't see myself getting another one. I still have my forty version and that is good enough for me. I agree that the Creed is more of a hook for a guy/girl looking for a gun within a price point like the PPX was. Heck, that's how I got here. :)
 
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I have both and IMO, the Creed isn't much of an upgrade from the PPX. Looks are subjective and yes, it may have more of a PPQ look and I think that's what Walther wanted. My guess is the "improved" looks will maybe make this gun a winner based on it's entry level price and that trigger.

Now comparing the two, the trigger on the Creed has a heavier break, about 1lb more than my PPX. The ergo's for me, are not an improvement as the large angled dip in the PPX grip fit my hand to a tee. In addition, maybe due to my PPX having a longer barrel, the Creed is not as accurate as my PPX by a small margin.

Overall, they are very similar but I see some guys whining about the price, they are within $50 bucks or less of each other, that is nothing IMO. Mine was $345 plus shipping, so $365. My PPX, when new, was $440 due to the barrel. I guess CDNN has the least expensive PPX 9mm for $299 plus shipping, within 50 bucks. I see on Gunbroker the PPX is pretty much the same price as the Creed. So price is so similar, not a big enough difference to matter.

The biggest difference is new versus old, what does a buyer want? I think this is an entry level gun that appeals to those who can't afford much or simply don't want to spend much. Then there are those like me who like some inexpensive guns based on quality and/or performance. I was interested in the Creed as it is a PPX M2. The slide of my PPX fit on the Creed slide but not the other way around. I have around 40-50 handguns, mainly Glocks, Sigs and HK's with a few Walthers, and various brands in there. The PPX/Creed is not a replacement for any of the better model brands, like any Glock or HK. But it's good for what it is.
 

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Yeah the Creed screams PPX M2 without them actually calling it that. Heck, a M2 was almost certain by them calling the PPX M1 a M1 from the get go! Why deny it now???
 

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Can anyone confirm whether or not the Creed still has the multipart barrel with the separate feed ramp?
I spoke with the service dept. on Fri. regarding a replacement for a PPX barrel I sent back. I was told I would be getting the same barrel as in the Creed. He also said this barrel had been somewhat improved, whatever that means. Guess it's a 3 part piece but I'll know for sure when it arrives.
 

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Can anyone confirm whether or not the Creed still has the multipart barrel with the separate feed ramp?
The video reviews online show that. Its a redone PPX for certain, but with smoother looks. To me it seems like a VERY good value. At first glance, the 3 part barrel seems to be a problem, but the more I consider it, I think it is a smart idea if it saves costs - it reportedly is very accurate.
 

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I think Walther was
1) Embarrased by people saying that the PPX "looks like a High Point."
2) Desirous of a new start in the low-cost market, but didn't see a need for a whole new design.

So they tweaked the looks and (hopefully) fixed any reliability issues uncovered in the PPX. Like the barrel.
Then they renamed it.
 

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I just bought a Creed on gunbroker for 300. We'll see what I think. I don't have a PPX I don't like the glock like trigger. Yes, I have a PPS. I doubt I'll like the creed more than my P99, which is about my favorite pistol of all time.
 

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The PPS has more of a "glock like" trigger (whatever the hell THAT means?) than the PPQ.

Sarcasm aside, the PPS actions is about as close to a Block...errr Glob..er....as one can get and NOT have Glock stamped on the slide.

The PPQ is an altogether different animal in that it is basically a SAO setup....


In terms of operation, all are the same. You aim, squeeze, and bang.

The PPQ is (usually) the smoothest, lightest, and also has less reset than the PPS.


Now, how any of this got dragged into the PPX/Creed discussion is beyond. The few PPX' that I've handled and dry fired all had wonderful triggers, much nicer than I'd expect on a a sub 400 dollar handgun. I'm still in a state of awe that I don't as yet own at least one PPX, as I have at least two each of the other three pistol lines mentioned in this thread.

As for cheap=less value....yeah, an HK costs close to a grand, American, with Sig even more.

But have you ever heard of a PPQ trigger being compared to an HK unfavorably? (The VP9 is a notable exception. It too is a damned phenomenal piece. I'd be proud to own one. And it's not even close to a grand, either. Hmmm.) :D
 

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The PPS has more of a "glock like" trigger (whatever the hell THAT means?) than the PPQ.

Sarcasm aside, the PPS actions is about as close to a Block...errr Glob..er....as one can get and NOT have Glock stamped on the slide.

The PPQ is an altogether different animal in that it is basically a SAO setup....


In terms of operation, all are the same. You aim, squeeze, and bang.

The PPQ is (usually) the smoothest, lightest, and also has less reset than the PPS.


Now, how any of this got dragged into the PPX/Creed discussion is beyond. The few PPX' that I've handled and dry fired all had wonderful triggers, much nicer than I'd expect on a a sub 400 dollar handgun. I'm still in a state of awe that I don't as yet own at least one PPX, as I have at least two each of the other three pistol lines mentioned in this thread.

As for cheap=less value....yeah, an HK costs close to a grand, American, with Sig even more.

But have you ever heard of a PPQ trigger being compared to an HK unfavorably? (The VP9 is a notable exception. It too is a damned phenomenal piece. I'd be proud to own one. And it's not even close to a grand, either. Hmmm.) :D
Were you meaning "PPX" where you typed "PPS" or were you changing the subject?
 

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Were you meaning "PPX" where you typed "PPS" or were you changing the subject?
He was responding to the post immediately preceding his, from Necron99.
 

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Yup ^.

The PPX also doesn't have what I'd call a "glock style" trigger, beyond, again, aiming and squeezing. ;)


It IS much nicer than anything wearing a word that starts with G and rhymes with block. LOL
 

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I haven't purchased a PPQ because I don't particularly like the double trigger thing. I only said "yes, I know I have a pps" because after making making such a statement, people on forums tend to go "AH HA! BUT YOU HAVE A PPS!" because it's in the signature. I have no doubt the PPQ is BETTER than a Glock. I detest glocks.
 

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The PPQ and PPX have an HK LEM like trigger, nothing like a Glock trigger, I'm talking more feel than anything. The light LEM is very similar to this trigger though it is true DAO with a double strike. My PPX has a lighter break than any of my HK light LEM triggers, I prefer it to the LEM but it has its limitations as well.
 
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