[Jake Starr]

I would like to see the accuracy of the PPS...can anyone post your own targets or the factory target that came with the pistol?

I am wanting to get a new carry gun but am looking for something that is accurate as well. I have narrowed it down to a Sig 239 or a PPS but was curious as to the accuracy...I wonder if the PPS can compare to my P99 compact....

 

[ShipWreck]

I would like to see the accuracy of the PPS...can anyone post your own targets or the factory target that came with the pistol?

I am wanting to get a new carry gun but am looking for something that is accurate as well. I have narrowed it down to a Sig 239 or a PPS but was curious as to the accuracy...I wonder if the PPS can compare to my P99 compact....

WHy not keep the P99cc? What is making U want a Sig P239 over the P99c?

 

[Jake Starr]

WHy not keep the P99cc? What is making U want a Sig P239 over the P99c?

So sorry if I did not make myself more clear...I must have typed this late last night. Oh, I AM GOING TO KEEP my P99c. I was just contemplating the aquistion of a new pistol. I have in narrowed down to a P5c, a Sig 239 or a PPS...but since it is something I want to carry I think the P5c is out. It would be more of a collector. Leaning towards a Sig but was just curious as to the accuracy of the PPS....

 

[0849]

Jake,
I purchased a new P239 in 9mm approx a year ago and have had it to the range several times. It is an extremely accurate and reliable pistol. While my P99C was more accurate than the full size P99, found the P239 to be even more accurate, at least in my hands, than both the P99 and P99C. The other thing I very much like about the P239 is that felt recoil even with the Corbon Plus P I like to use is very light, not sure if it is due to the alloy frame vs synthetic or the Hogue Soft Rubber grips, probably both, but very light recoil. My sense is that the P99C is inherrently as accurate as the P239, I just tends to be not as accurate for me, think due to the shorter grip. One downside to the Sig relative to the P99 and P99C is that mags holds 8 or 10 rounds versus the 16 round mags available for both the P99 and P99C, but then the 239 mags are single stack mags so pretty convenient to carry extras.

 

[PX15]

Jake:

Here's my two cents worth.

I've had a P239 since they were first released, probably ten years ago.. The Sig was the benchmark for any pistol I considered buying, and it has been very accurate and 100% reliable from day one.

My Sig P239 put two Glock 26's on the trailer years ago when I bought a couple of those when they were the darlings of the firearm magazines...

The only downside I found on my Sig P239 was the factory grips.. I just didn't care for them, but after replacing the factory grips with rubber Hogues, it really made a difference. Later on when Crimson Trace released a set of their fine Lasergrips for the Sig P239 I bought a set of those. The CT's felt just as good as the Hogues, but with the advantage of the laser..

I purchased a surplus German P5 a couple of years ago. It is a fine pistol, but honestly, for me, it's just too large to consider for cc.. Perhaps the compact version is significantly smaller?

Both of my P99/AS's (compact and full size) are more accurate, for me, than any other pistols I've ever owned, or fired.

I am considering the PPS, when the regular versions come out as I just don't care for the weird frame finish on the "Limited" versions. If I buy a PPS I want the finish to match the finishes on my other Walthers.

I don't expect the PPS to be even AS GOOD a pistol, overall, as my Walther P99c/AS. The only advantage I see in the PPS is the slimness of the pistol.. It will have less capacity than my P99c/AS, a different trigger/striker setup that I don't care for, and it's butt ugly too boot.

IF I can hold a PPS and see that it is indeed significiently smaller for cc than my P99c/AS then I will probably buy one of the regular framed models, but I will buy it knowing it's not the pistol my P99c/AS is.

There is simply no logic in my desire for a new pistol.. I love Walthers, and a single stack makes sense.. Do I need a slim PPS? Nah.

I've shot my P99c/AS and Sig P239 side by side more than once, and the difference (for my two particular firearms) is substantial. The P99c/AS trigger/striker is light years better.

If I were going into harms way at night I would prefer the Sig P239 over the P99c/AS simply because the potential accuracy offer by the CT/Lasergrips add a dimension in low/nighttime conditions that a non-laser equipped pistol simply cannot offer.

But in any other situation the P99c/AS would be my first choice.

All personal opinion of course.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

 

[0849]

PX15,
I have been considering the purchase of a Laser aiming device for my P239, how does the CT compare dimensionally to the regular Hogue grips, is it any larger / wider where your hand grabs it ? The Hogue grips fit my hand perfectly, do not want to change that. Also, other than the obvious cost difference, how do you think the CT compares to the type I have seen advertised that replaces the guide rod, think they are called Lasermax ?

 

[PX15]

0849:

I recommend Crimson Trace Lasergrips without reservation. I have a set on my Sig P239, and another set on my S&W J-frame Airweight Bodyguard.

The CT grips on the Sig feel (to me) just as the rubber Hogue replacement grips. If you like the Hogues, you'll be well pleased with the CT's.

CT's have excellent battery life.. CT's are vertically/horizontally adjustable.. CT's laser beam dot CAN be seen at self defense distance (for me 3-7'), even in broad daylight. Obviously the lower the lighting the more visible the laser dot becomes. CT has an excellent site www.crimsontrace.com, and I've found the Customer Relations/Warranty folks who monitor that site to be a great bunch of folks.

I've heard LaserMax makes excellent lasers.. You won't be disappointed with either imo, but I've had nothing but a fantastic experience with my CT's.

Hope this helps,

J. Pomeroy

 

[BessonGuy]

factory pic

Here's my factory pic.

It's marked 10 meters. At the further distances at which I usually punch paper, it shoots much lower than I'd like. Hopefully other front sights will become available.

I've thrown away all my targets, but I'll remember to keep them next time.

Don

 

[BessonGuy]

Actual target pics

Not the best I can do, but not the worst either. Basically the last ones I shot and remembered to save.

All are slow fire, off hand, standing, in a range that needs to up the A/C.

Ammo is 115gr CCI Blazer Aluminum. The cheap stuff.

14yds, 21rnds (all three mags), black circle is 3 7/8 inch

15 yds, 8 rnds, black circle is 5 1/2 inch

15 yds, 6 rnds

The side to side spread is probably due to the grip being so thin and flat. It is hard to cradle the sides of the grip within the hands.

FYI I usually group in the 5 1/2 inch circle at 25 yds with the P99c. Not quite that good with the PPS, yet!

Don