This is the second time in the past couple of days that we've had to close down a thread on this topic for combative and aggressive posts and language. Let's not let it happen again or it'll be the last time around for some. If that's not clear, look in your PM box.

 

Forgive my tone, but at least I can keep it clean. Yes, congrats on your "huge" pair.

If you read back, friend, you cast the first insult; in a later post painting it under the auspice of being lighthearted or poking fun. So you have received it in kind, but in a more gentlemanlike manner.

Anyway, like I said, submit your fix to Walther. I think everyone, regardless of what they say back, would be interested in what they say regarding your contribution to the PPS. Yes, I've read your guide to completing the modification, I've looked at the pictures. In fact, I told you I did in the first place. What feedback would you like from me that I already have not provided...?

 

Have you heard the word " constuctive"?

 

Sorry for the stupid question, Tomm.

Yes, of course you would show it off like a used car salesman without informing them of any negative aspects of the glorious, permanent modification.

But not because you are a bad person, you probably don't see any negatives in it... because you refuse to. If you cover one eye with your hand, it doesn't mean that half of the world you see ceases to exist. You just lose some perspective is all.

I don't know, maybe Walther is drooling over your mod and will incorporate it in the next iteration, or get rid of the removable backstrap altogether (best solution). You should probably patent it so you get the credit!

 

Your such an ass...your defamatory tone just shows your a compleat idiot.
...yes I had the balls to see what was wrong and fix it...your the bind one...everything's perfect with the PPS , you actually act like fixing it is like pissing on your god or beleif....
If my mod means so little to you why do you take such time to try and discredit it with your defamatory tone?
Have you even taken a close look at what iv done? ..because even with my "rain x" ego...at least I can admit When I'm wrong. This just isn't one of them.
...I have permently fixed a failure point in the PPS..sure thier are better ways...like if Walther just removed said system.
But what have you contributed to the PPS? Um just encase you can't count..zip nada...nothing.

 

I installed the large backstrap, put a LimbSaver over it, and haven't given it another thought. I shoot that little gun a lot, and am not at all worried about the backstrap detaching. It's not going anywhere with the LimbSaver, and I haven't modified the gun in a way that could cause warranty or legal problems.

But to each his own.

 

Warranty is an issue....but legal isn't. Pinning does nothing but fixes a failure point in the plastic..it doesn't change anything about what fires the weapon or makes it easier to pull the trigger..or removes a safety devise ...otherwise any attorney could argue the limbsaver is doing the same and could also fall under the same scrutiny for legal action....

This REMINDES me of a stupid question from a poster if I would tell any future buyer about the modifications iv done.
Yep..I'd show them what it takes to remove said pin...then show what happens when a backstrap fails..and then ask them " what's better all original with a weak point..or pinned ". I would end up selling to the one who has good conceptual inteligence. Not that I would sell mine...I love it.

 

For most users of the pistol, this is a non-issue and has been from Day One, which is the reason why Walther doesn't address it (and S&W, as the importer on in-field repair service over here, has little or no say in the matter, particularly now with a divorce pending). My advice: If it concerns you, add a Limbsaver or other similar device and keep smiling.

 

Great...but do you remove said strap to clean your gun.? Do you even dare? ..and if the backstrap fails...will said large rubber band keep the backstrap in place..because the pressure is down to keep the lever in the fire possition..not pressed in.( well the backstrap is pressed up to possition safty bar in the fire position,but if the strap fails..it's presses down)
Iv pinned mine so I can smile even while removing my backstrap....heck I can lose my backstrap and pin...find a paper clip if I had to..and still smile knowing my gun will still work.
Till someone tests a failed backstrap with a limbsaver and shows good....the wrap isn't the best idea...it's just better then nothing.

 

In general, it's annoying that there is a feature with the gun where the best practice is to not use it because it'll break it and disable the gun.

If my power windows in my car disabled the car if used regularly, the manufacturer would issue a recall. With the backstrap problem, S&W and Walther are mum. How about a backstrap with a metal clip instead of plastic?

Surely they could fix this if they had any interest in doing so.

 

I'm thinking it's cheaper to just send out free new backstraps... That and the large group that yells....." pick a backstrap and leave it" just supports thier isn't a problem. I'll look into who to email my fix (at Walther) and see what I get for a response....but I bet nothing...too many pistols for them to update too much exposure.

 

I selected the backstrap that i liked when i bought the PPS. I put a limbsaver on it and the backstrap has not been off since.I see no reason to remove it any time soon.

 

A few weeks after I bought my PPS, I heard noises in the back bedroom so I grabbed it and went to investigate. After I walked through the house, I noticed that the backstrap was detached about an eighth of an inch. The gun was disabled and useless. At that time, I had only had the backstrap off a few times to play with it. The next day I bent the plastic tab to give it a tighter fit and replaced it until S&W sent me a new one which I have not removed since installation.

As I've said in other posts: The backstrap can randomly pop off and disable your gun. Plastic rubbing on metal is an amateur hour design flaw and Walther should be ashamed of themselves for doing it. It's a fundamental flaw that might get somebody killed someday.

Eventually I will figure out a way to permanently attach it or maybe cast a new one with a metal clip on it. Until then, I just have to be extra sure that it's still attached.

 

If your not willing to pin it....then defiantly get a limbsaver for it, or tape it down.
Otherwise thank Walther for at least putting a big red dot on the end so you know when it's a go..no go.

 

^ I can respect that. I have enough confidence in the engineers at Walther. I think if you remove the backstrap properly and keep the size that works for you on the gun you won't ever have any issues. But I agree, it would be nice if they made the lip out of metal, if for nothing else peace of mind. Till then I'd probably feel more comfortable just ordering 2 or 3 spare backstraps that I'd never use, lol

 

How did this thread topic about pinning the backstrap become a legal argument? My vote: PIN THE BACKSTRAP!!! It is a design flaw, but it's still a quality firearm.

 

Oh, and lawyers love to use words like "hair trigger". I'm pretty confident that my state values my rights enough to not get me in trouble for such a mod, but I don't want to risk it. Just my .02

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Many experts say to leave it, many say it shouldn't matter. But I think one thing we can all agree on is what I mentioned above, 5th amendment....be polite, but zip it and say "you'd be more than happy to answer questions in 24 hours after you speak to legal counsel" or something to that affect.

 

But on a similar note, your own mouth will do you the most harm. Fifth amendment! God forbid you're in a defensive situation, but if you are, SHUT THE F**K UP AND WAIT FOR LEGAL COUNSEL!!!!! No matter how much of a victim you are, simply say you we're attacked and defended your life. That's it.


Lol, just thought I'd throw that in.

 

^ I'm not saying it will stick, but ANYTHING is fuel for prosecutors in court. All it takes is a shit judge and shit jury and a prosecutor saying you we're "looking for trouble" and at the very least you have unneccessary heartache. But, if you're of the mentality of "I'd rather be alive and in court than yadda yadda" then that's cool, but I'm telling you right now it would not be fun, and the backstrap on the PPS is not a damn issue.

 

^ Agreed. I don't think it's an issue whatsoever. Pick a backstrap, and leave it on. And pull the goddamn trigger to disassemble the weapon, or lock the slide back before you take off the backstrap if you just HAVE to take it off..

 

Changing the 'safety' feature of the weapon could backfire if one finds themselves in a legal situation after an incident of use. JMHO

 

Highly unlikely.. we're not talkign a hair trigger or removing a thumbsafety here... we're talking a backstrap meant to disable the gun. You'd never remove it if you were keeping the gun loaded for defensive reasons.

The possibility of the backstrap becoming damaged in a drop or a scuffle (certainly a real possibility in a gun fight) far outweighs the very unlikely legalities situation. I'm all for keeping a carry gun as stock as possible, but reliable is key. judged by 12>carried by 6 and all.

 

i do not understand why Walther as a "fix" does not offer the back-strap with a cross pin like in all their other Walther Back-straps, this is a good fix and would make everyone feel much more confidant in the pistol, one can still strip the pistol without removing the back strap and if you did want to do that a simple punch and it is done, much better idea in my opinion...

 

outstanding work right there!




nice job! really wish walther would address this design issue! I never remove the backstrap bc it will fail eventually!

 

nice job! really wish walther would address this design issue! I never remove the backstrap bc it will fail eventually!

Thanks....it's a design adjustment that's quite simple to do in production for Walther...and considering all the new slim nines on the market I would consider this almost a nessessity. I realy kinda have to laugh at those that think this isn't an issue...well not until it happens to them..
Grip wraps do seem to be a great band aid fix, and as simple as you can get...I just like knowing its more rock solid.
Just picked up a PPQ for CC , so the PPS is now for summer carry only.

Not sure if you noticed the laser I installed with a custom grove to get the laser actuator right were my finger rests at discipline ...http://www.laserlyte.com/products/fsl-3. .but it's also a great addition and with just a simple tweak on a crossbreed IWB holster set up for an XDm it works great.....I'm not a huge fan of the crossbreed IWB ...it's very squeaky ,
But even with the micro laser on my new PPQ it fits in the crossbreed.

 

I think I'd be happier with the pin.

Didn't realise I had that 100MPH tape in the garage! Thanks

 

If its not military grade, it's only good up to 75 mph

 

According to Walther, removing the blackstrap is the preferred method of decocking to remove the slide from the frame. So, they should expect the component to survive several hundred removals, etc.

 

I think of doing this modifaction every time I take out my PPS and handle it.

The PPS is a cute little pistol, but I really dislike the removable backstrap. on my pistol it "gives" alittle when I grip the piece and I find that very annoying. I also find the whole "disconnect" idea lame - especially with the issues some folks have had with the backstrap popping off.

So one of these days I might just get a dremel and go to work on the PPS. The only change I would make is to blue the pin holding the backstrap.

The original post, with the pictures and explanation would be a great "sticky"

 

The PPS is a cute little pistol, but I really dislike the removable backstrap. on my pistol it "gives" alittle when I grip the piece and I find that very annoying.

I picked the backstrap I liked and put some 100MPH tape on the frame under the it. It cleared up my “springy” feeling and made the backstrap more difficult to remove, but it’s a non-permanent modification. You may need a couple layers.

Chuck

 

Structurally, pining the lever is more sound...your just locking a component that was ment to Be locked......removing parts changes the whole structure as it was originally designed

And you don't lose the feature of making it safe for storage and such...

 

I'm not interested in utilizing the mechanism for storage. It's a liability in my mind, and I'd never make a habit of removing the backstrap as I don't trust its attachment system.

Drilling the parts is inherently structurally weakening them, though possibly not fatally.

Removing parts is not necessarily structurally weakening the pistol unless they are stress bearing parts. It's possible that the spring pressure of the compressed strut against the sear housing does add a little support against recoil forces on the chassis through the bosses on the sear housing, but given the force vectors and other support points in the beavertail area I'm doubtful it's functionally significant by any stretch. However, if it is significant, one could possibly just remove the decocker from the system or simply cut the hook off, then, in order to allow the backstrap to be affixed permanently without preventing removal of the chassis, cut the strut engagement tab off the back of the backstrap, then mark the place where the end of the strut should be when the backstrap is locked on, remove the spring from the strut, coat the strut and the bottom and groove of the sear housing with release compound, and reinstall with the sear housing in grip frame. Then position the strut in its compressed position per the marking, then inject and shape plastic welder into the strut groove so it will bond to the grip frame plastic and fill the cavity below the tip of the strut and form a support/stop for the strut when the spring is reinstalled. Once the plastic welder sets, remove the sear housing, clean off the release compound, reinstall the spring on the strut, and reassemble the pistol. You'll just have to press the sear housing and chassis down into the grip frame against the strut spring's resistance and hold it there while tapping the rear frame pin in. At least that's how it all seems to me based strictly on diagrams and photos.

As far as I can tell, the strut makes no structurally supportive contact anywhere else. There is perhaps a question about the decocker itself because it fits in a space between the chassis and the sear housing, filling that space, but again, it's not braced against anything. The only possibility is if it actually fits tight enough that it provides support against chassis flex during recoil, but that would require that exact spot of the chassis to flex inward for some reason, and enough to press the decocker against the side of the sear housing. Again, given the position of things and the likely stresses on the chassis, I just don't see it being an issue.

However, if you did take the strut out completely, you could simply extend the tracking-boss on the side of the polymer decocker with some plastic welder so it becomes fixed in its chassis track in the unactivated position. Alternatively one could cut the decocking hook off of the decocker (for piece of mind) and let the dococker's spring hold it upward so it doesn't rattle.

Seems to me the two parts in question are free moving and have no bearing on structural integrity nor other functioning parts except when the decocker is pulled down by the strut. In other words the system seems independent and passive, and removing it would be much like removing many magazine safeties.

I was just wondering if anyone who's actually had one apart for detailed inspection can confirm this or counter it with a detailed explanation of what it would interfere with or remove support from.

 

Sooo... Has anyone tried just taking out the the Quicksafe strut or both it and the decocker from the pistol, then attaching the backstrap with some plastic welder like they use on Glock grip modifications? (being careful not to get any on the sear housing of course)

After seeing pictures and of disassembly and the parts diagram, it seems the parts don't affect or interface with anything except each other and fixed structural pieces.

Has anyone tried this and is there any sign that even just taking out the strut with its spring would have any negative effect besides making the backstrap fit loosely?

 

Mine was used...came with the large strap on...I removed and tried the smaller..didn't like so went back to the lrg.....who knows how many times mine got changed before I go it...but polymer lip catching on a 90% metal lip at 20lbs isn't going to have a long shelf life.....pun intended.

Now it doesn't matter.

 

On my PPS 9mm, once I selected the backstrap I prefered, I never took it off again---no problems after several years...

 

IMHO, this is the best route to go. Once one finds the backstrap that they are comfortable with, no reason to remove it.

 

Nice work, though I personally probably wouldn't do it to mine. I think most failures are due to improperly removing and installing the backstraps over and over again.
Pretty cool if you're looking for piece of mind and don't want a limbsaver. Maybe if a good smith started doing this I would consider it after my warranty is up.

Thanks!