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Sooo question. What division would the PPQ Q5 fall under for IDPA? Do they consider the Q5 to have a ported barrel now?
 

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Only the slide is ported. That's not barrel porting.

If you put an optic on it, you'll probably be required to shoot open. If you leave the iron sights on it, read as no optic, you can shoot limited or what ever they may call it (I'm USPSA).
 

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Only the slide is ported. That's not barrel porting. ...
NO! For IDPA it is fine for either SSP or ESP without the optic but would not be allowed at all with an optic - there is no open or optic division in IDPA.

For USPSA you can use it in any division except single stack with regular sights. With optics you can shoot it in Open division and perhaps in the new Production Optics division if it meets weight and size requirements dependent on what optic you put on it.
 

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NO! For IDPA it is fine for either SSP or ESP without the optic but would not be allowed at all with an optic - there is no open or optic division in IDPA.
I have shot in many IDPA sanctioned matches where optics are allowed and being used. They just didn't record your time toward season standings.
Also, there are a lot of "Defensive Pistol" leagues (non sanctioned, IDPA type matches) being formed and it's run what you brung. They are the most fun, usually only 5 stages.
 

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Well that is a club match that is not following IDPA rules, the OP asked what is allowed in IDPA. I answered the question as an IDPA SO and USPSA RO.
This is correct. However in local matches you may use optics, but you shoot "unclassified." There is no division and no IDPA points. You are still scored, however. My wife will be shooting her Q5 with a Vortex Viper that way.

You can shoot USPSA local matches in the "carry optics" division. I don't know their decision about the carry optics at other matches.

This is for Las Vegas IDPA and USPSA. I can't confirm if this is true for other local matches.
 

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For USPSA you can use it in any division except single stack with regular sights. With optics you can shoot it in Open division and perhaps in the new Production Optics division if it meets weight and size requirements dependent on what optic you put on it.
Yeah, the gun is not the issue except in Single Stack. It's whether or not it has optics on it. Production doesn't allow optics. Post and notch only. Open is the only place for handgun optics.

Also, slide porting is fine, if it's original equipment, but absolutely no barrel porting.

CAVEAT, this is for USPSA, not IDPA. There isn't enough value in IDPA for me, even though I'll be limited to minor scoring because my PPQ is 9mm. I want to go multi-gun and USPSA is the only multi-gun organization here in Wisconsin.
 

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Open is the only place for handgun optics.
That is no longer true. Carry Optics is recognized at most matches now. I just shot the MN Section match, and while there were only 2 people shooting Carry Optics, it was definitely a recognized division. Also, Carry Optics has its own Nationals event this year, so I think it's probably here to stay.
 

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That is no longer true. Carry Optics is recognized at most matches now. I just shot the MN Section match, and while there were only 2 people shooting Carry Optics, it was definitely a recognized division. Also, Carry Optics has its own Nationals event this year, so I think it's probably here to stay.
Are you talking about USPSA or some other organization? I have the rulebook here in my hands plus I could copy and paste from it to the thread. Unless they made a change to it since they printed the last rulebook and now, in USPSA, optics are only allowed in Open.

As I said in my previous post, I'm joined to USPSA because that is the only organization here in Wisconsin that does multi-gun. I won't look at anything that does not have multi-gun competitions.

3-Gun Nation is not here in Wisconsin.

In fact, I don't even see a "Carry Optics" division listed in the IDPA rules. I do see something in the rules where clubs are allowed to post "not for competition" matches.
 

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Are you talking about USPSA or some other organization? I have the rulebook here in my hands plus I could copy and paste from it to the thread. Unless they made a change to it since they printed the last rulebook and now, in USPSA, optics are only allowed in Open.

As I said in my previous post, I'm joined to USPSA because that is the only organization here in Wisconsin that does multi-gun. I won't look at anything that does not have multi-gun competitions.

3-Gun Nation is not here in Wisconsin.
Never believe the rulebook, it is not up to date. Carry Optics is now a recognized division.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fuspsa.org%2Fdocument_library%2F2016%2FAPPENDIX%2520D7_DNROI_2.pdf


To find current rules since the last rulebook you have to go here:
USPSA Rules - United States Practical Shooting Association
 

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Per the USPSA website, Appendix D7, Carry Optics is a provisional division at this time.
Not many shooting in the division yet. We had one CO out of 38 shooters in today's match.
 

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For those interested IDPA now has Provisional rules out for their Optic Division. This is a work in progress with nothing firmly in place....yet. It will be out soon.

Take Care

Bob
 

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From IDPA on January 17...
"There will be official announcements on a number of items, including Carry Optics, in the near future. We appreciate your patience until that time. Per our prior notifications to the membership, all official rules and communications will only be found only on the IDPA.com website and distributed by the IDPA electronic weekly newsletter, Tactical Brief, and on the only official IDPA facebook page, www.facebook.com/ShootIDPA/ "
 

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Do you have a link? Could not find them.
The Provisional Rules were listed on www.idpa.tech. The place for new ideas site which was originally intended to be a test site for the secret group who seem to have the inside track for developing rules. The site got out to the membership and the PCC Provisional rules now listed on the idpa.com site are now officially provisional while the Optic Provisional rules listed on the tech site have not been finalized as they are struggling with how to deal with their box.

If they approve full size guns SSP guns to be used then the box height has to be changed or a cut out for the sight has to be made. If they approve only CCP guns then the box will work but there will be few guns available to shoot the division. It seems to date they just can't say any pistols meeting the SSP requirements may be used in the Optic Division with a slide mounted Optic attached. Hopefully the group will come to some sensible conclusion.

Does anyone know if the Short Form Classifier is now to be used as it does not appear on the IDPA - Welcome! website and according to the last Tactical Brief if what you see on the idpa.tech site is not on idpa.com it is not official as of Jan.17 .

Why IDPA does not communicate to us directly via email is anyone's guess. If you are going to communicate via the net it is a pretty sure bet those with computers will have an email address but not everyone uses Facebook and the Tactical Brief may have a following with the tacticoool crowd but it seldom has any articles about IDPA in it. A lot of folks up here just unsubscribe to it because for the most part it is just advertising wrapped around articles about urban warfare aka self defense.

Take Care
Bob
 

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Well all is official now and CO Division is a provisional Division. I am shooting CO in the WA State Match in August. I should be able to finish somewhere in the middle of the pack of think 8 shooters.:D I will have fun and get a chance to renew old acquaintances which makes the annual 15 hour trip south worth it.

Take Care

Bob
 
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